Player Decline

[Prior]

When a player is in his mid 30's, after the first offseason, the attribute decline is massive. In subsequent offseasons is the decline as massive. Or is it more gradual (in other words less significant). Thanks.

[unknownorigin]

Re: Player Decline

no its pretty steep all around. but is based on their potential and how they do in the season.. for EX in my franchise the Yankees traded me jeter for a C rated prospect in the first season... he was at 77 at the time by the end of the season he was at 70 because he slumped the whole season.. I dropped him to AA where he just steadily declined the whole time until he retired

[Prior]

Re: Player Decline

no its pretty steep all around. but is based on their potential and how they do in the season.. for EX in my franchise the Yankees traded me jeter for a C rated prospect in the first season... he was at 77 at the time by the end of the season he was at 70 because he slumped the whole season.. I dropped him to AA where he just steadily declined the whole time until he retired

I play season mode, so players don't decline during the season itself. But should I expect, for example Roy Oswalt, to decline heavily during the first offseason, and then more heavy declines during the following offseasons?

Also do hitters in their mid 30's and older experience even decline in all categories (or is it more in the areas they excel in). For instance I have Podsednik on my team (who excels in contact and speed). Should I expect those areas to decline more than the areas he is average in?

[unknownorigin]

Re: Player Decline

they decline slowly after about 32/33 and start to steeply decline after 36 it seems to be at random at least as far as I can tell... but their overall rating drops between 2 and 6 points per season or more

[Prior]

Re: Player Decline

they decline slowly after about 32/33 and start to steeply decline after 36 it seems to be at random at least as far as I can tell... but their overall rating drops between 2 and 6 points per season or more

So with an overall decline of five points or so in the mid 30's should I expect each individual category to only decline a point or two?

[DetroitStyle]

no its pretty steep all around. but is based on their potential and how they do in the season..

This is incorrect. Season performance, good or bad, has no effect on attribute progression or regression. The devs have stated this already this year. It's all based on age, potential, and training during the season.

[R9NALD9]

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This is incorrect. Season performance, good or bad, has no effect on attribute progression or regression. The devs have stated this already this year. It's all based on age, potential, and training during the season.

Though obviously I can't go against what the developers say...I see the contrary in my franchise.

I have players that are 31 that started to decline...heavily.

And Angel Pagan is having a very good season...hitting .349 mid way through june. He is 31 years old and he is actually progressing this season...not a lot, but some of his attributes have improved...and none have decreased.

Maybe it's his potential that is causing this.

Older guys like Zito, Vogelsong, Lopez etc. have declined heavily. To such a point that Zito is now a relief pitcher at 70 overall.

I've traded a couple of guys Pence etc. to bring in some young A potential pitchers...as Cain and Lincecum are 29 and 28 I think. So they'll start declining soon.

[Prior]

Re: Player Decline

Though obviously I can't go against what the developers say...I see the contrary in my franchise.

I have players that are 31 that started to decline...heavily.

And Angel Pagan is having a very good season...hitting .349 mid way through june. He is 31 years old and he is actually progressing this season...not a lot, but some of his attributes have improved...and none have decreased.

Maybe it's his potential that is causing this.

Older guys like Zito, Vogelsong, Lopez etc. have declined heavily. To such a point that Zito is now a relief pitcher at 70 overall.

I've traded a couple of guys Pence etc. to bring in some young A potential pitchers...as Cain and Lincecum are 29 and 28 I think. So they'll start declining soon.

Lets say a hitter in his mid 30's sees an overall rating decline of five points. Would each individual category, such as speed and contact vs RHP, only be effected by a point or two?

[R9NALD9]

Re: Player Decline

Lets say a hitter in his mid 30's sees an overall rating decline of five points. Would each individual category, such as speed and contact vs RHP, only be effected by a point or two?

I'm probably not the most informed person to ask.

But judging by half the season I've played in my Giants franchise. Guys like Zito, Vogelsong and Lopez who are all in their mid 30's have experience a decrease of up to 5 points in some attributes. As far as I can remember, all of the attributes have decreased bar one or two I think. But 95% of them decreased between 3 and 5 points.

As I'm only in June now...I've started making some preparations that those guys won't be in the team next year...at least not the MLB team.

What sucks though is...that chances that a guy like Zito will retire as a MLB Giants player are very slim. I'll either have to cut him loose...or send him down to AAA.

There is no point of keeping a guy in the team that will decrease 10-15 points overall just for loyalty's sake.

I'm hoping he retires end of this season...as even with his rapidly decreasing attributes...he is doing a pretty good job as a reliever at the moment. Hoping he can finish his career with some good perfomances and retire end of this season.

Vogelsong is still in my rotation, though he decreased to 80 overall. I have two Top 50 A potential starting pitcher prospects in triple AAA which I'm planning on letting loose next season...I'm doing this because I want to give them a fair shot at rookie of the year.

Though I don't have that big of a complaint on the player regression this year...seems realistic to a point...what bothers me is that no matter what, that every player will retire as a worthless reject. Though any sportsman regresses as he becomes older...a 38 year old Jeter is still a good player to have...though in this game he becomes a player who should feel ashamed of himself.

Maybe they could have a regression cap as well...just as they have a cap on expected progression...they could say that Jeter would balance out regressing to an 80 overall. If he has a seriously bad season that could worsen down to 75. While an unkown player would balance out at 60 or something.

[A7Xraider]

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im 55 games into my season and Scutaro has gone from an 85 to a 74...that's waaaay too much. lopez affeldt zito vogey all have declined as well. crawford sandoval have increased very slightly. none of these players are having declining seasons