George Springer

[mu382]

I am using knights v2 rosters. Has anyone bumped up George springers attributes yet? I'm thinking they need a little bump and was curious as to what others are doing.

[@legendm0de]

Re: George Springer

I'm using v1, and I'm pretty satisfied with him even though he's 1/8 for me in Spring Training right now. His vision is 31, if I changed anything that would it, but nothing else. But I won't I'll make him earn the ratings boost. He might not even make the team for me, right now. He didn't in real life either.

[saintjimbo1885]

Re: George Springer

It's very, very, very, early days but for 2014 (so far) my calculator gives him the following:


ConR 77
ConL 47
PowR 90
PowL 54
Bunt 0
DBunt 0
Vis 42
Disc 70
Clu 80
Dur -
Spd 38
Arm 57
Acc 50
Rea 62
Fld 64
BrAb 52
BRAg 18

[@legendm0de]

Re: George Springer

Spd 38 is a definite no.. he's not slow he was just hesitant or unsure on the bases if this rating is based on his baserunning errors. He has a few baserunning errors.

Same way he was hesitant in his first week of ABs in mlb and started off quite slowly offensively. I think it's all a mental thing, he's come around already mentally compared to where he was when he started out, even since Spring Training.

I also don't know how disparities between power L and R are exactly calculated. But I'm not sure there should be a 30+ difference between the two under most circumstances. His power R at 90 is debatable, this is why I hate these numbers though lol. I'd rather fill that bar graph up until it "looks" right lol

[turty11]

Re: George Springer

i use the same power # for L and R.

you dont get weaker or stronger facing a different handedness ^^ just get a dif amount of hits

when i edit houston tmrw, springer will get....

77 con r
58 con l
80 power r/l
68 plate disc
speed somewhere between 60-70

[mu382]

Re: George Springer

I may look at Bryce Harper's contact and power numbers and start him off in that area. I think he's a similar player and easily as good as Harper if not better in most categories once you weed through the Harper hype. Although, I haven't looked at his ratings yet so I don't know if he is as insanely overrated in the game as he is in real life.

[turty11]

Re: George Springer

last i checked harper was kind of middle of the pack rated by scea

in comparison with my rating adjustments, harper would have 44pwr compared to an 80 for springer

haper would have 85 con L vs springers 58, and harper would have 52 con R vs springers 77, essentially having near/same cont ratings but springers power blows him away. Cant help ya with fielding, ive never watched an astros game ^^

[drsublime]

Re: George Springer

I may look at Bryce Harper's contact and power numbers and start him off in that area. I think he's a similar player and easily as good as Harper if not better in most categories once you weed through the Harper hype. Although, I haven't looked at his ratings yet so I don't know if he is as insanely overrated in the game as he is in real life.

oh geez, Springer is no where near the same type of prospect Harper was. Springer might be a really good player, but he's not there yet ... Harper had the hype for a reason, he dominated at ever level he played at.

I see (the young/healthy) Grady Sizemore in Springer as a celing, with Dexter Fowler as the floor.

Harper along w/ Trout have a chance to be Mays/Mantle all over again

[mu382]

Re: George Springer

oh geez, Springer is no where near the same type of prospect Harper was. Springer might be a really good player, but he's not there yet ... Harper had the hype for a reason, he dominated at ever level he played at.

I see (the young/healthy) Grady Sizemore in Springer as a celing, with Dexter Fowler as the floor.

Harper along w/ Trout have a chance to be Mays/Mantle all over again

Actually springer was more dominant in his only 2 full years in the minors at the same time being one of the highest rated prospects. In 2012 he hit .302 with 24 hr 87 RBI and 32 sb in A/AA. In 2013 he hit .303 with 37 hr 108 RBI and 45 sb in AA/AAA.
Harper in 2011 minor leagues .297 with 17 hr 58 RBI and 26 sb. He got called up the next season after 21 minor league games where he was hitting .243 with 1 hr and 3 RBI. That season in 139 games he hit .270 with 22 homers and 59 rbi. Followed that up with a .274 20 hr 58 RBI season shortened by injury and this year he has 1 hr and 9 RBI in 21 games.
Springer is on pace for 35+ hr and 110+ RBI this year. By the numbers they are in the same league, and one could argue springer has been better at every level because based on the numbers he has been. The difference is the hype.

[Joba62]

Re: George Springer

Actually springer was more dominant in his only 2 full years in the minors at the same time being one of the highest rated prospects. In 2012 he hit .302 with 24 hr 87 RBI and 32 sb in A/AA. In 2013 he hit .303 with 37 hr 108 RBI and 45 sb in AA/AAA.
Harper in 2011 minor leagues .297 with 17 hr 58 RBI and 26 sb. He got called up the next season after 21 minor league games where he was hitting .243 with 1 hr and 3 RBI. That season in 139 games he hit .270 with 22 homers and 59 rbi. Followed that up with a .274 20 hr 58 RBI season shortened by injury and this year he has 1 hr and 9 RBI in 21 games.
Springer is on pace for 35+ hr and 110+ RBI this year. By the numbers they are in the same league, and one could argue springer has been better at every level because based on the numbers he has been. The difference is the hype.

No, the difference is that Harper was doing this at 18 and 19 in the minors. Not 23. That's why he's a better bet to be better in his career.

[drsublime]

Re: George Springer

Also Springer is on pace for 29/85 (not 35 and 110 check your math) and 3 stolen bases. Harper is exponentially better, stop being a homer. Springer is also old for a top prospect making his debut... Hes 24, already OLDER than Harper.

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[mu382]

Re: George Springer

Also Springer is on pace for 29/85 (not 35 and 110 check your math) and 3 stolen bases. Harper is exponentially better, stop being a homer. Springer is also old for a top prospect making his debut... Hes 24, already OLDER than Harper.

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Well i calculated his numbers spread over a 162 game season but i know he spent a couple weeks in the minors. But even so, Harper has never hit 29 and 85 and is nowhere near that pace this year(using your calculations he's on pace for 3 homers and 30 rbi). I'm an Indians fan from Ohio, by the way, but there is no proof that Harper is better than Springer apart from opinion, the stats just don't back it up (Harpers best year as a pro isn't as good as Springer's worst year in a small sample size) and with the exception of the potential rating, you can't rate someone in the game based on what he might produce in the future. He's barely 3 years older which isn't a huge difference. My argument is that rating Springer similarly to Bryce Harper is not as crazy as you think. It's not like i'm trying to compare Matt LaPorta to Bryce Harper.

[Joey]

Re: George Springer

Sorry, but that's just not accurate. While you may not get weaker or stronger, you'll still hit homeruns at a different rate vs RH & LH pitchers. It may not be extreme, but in some cases it definitely can be. For example, look at last year's HR leader. Chris Davis hit 53 HR, 40 in 367AB vs RHP and 13 in 217AB vs LHP. That's a HR rate of 1 every 9.2AB vs RHP and 1 every 16.7AB vs LHP. So his power vs LHP would have been almost half that of RHP.

i use the same power # for L and R.

you dont get weaker or stronger facing a different handedness ^^ just get a dif amount of hits

[orion523]

Re: George Springer

Wow. Springer is a great prospect, but he's still just that, a prospect. A good month means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Last May Domonic Brown hit .303/.303/.688 with 12 homers and 25 RBI and the hype machine starting rolling with him. Guess what, he regressed as soon as the pitchers figured him out and he hasn't been the same hitter since. Is George Springer the Domonic Brown of 2014, or is he something else? Time will tell. IMO, Knight has him rated fairly.

[drsublime]

Re: George Springer

all Harper did was hit 22 Homeruns, 9 triples, 26 doubles, while hitting .270 and getting 18 stolen bases (while playing less than 140 games) as a 19 year old rookie. Springer is a very good prospect and probably will be a solid player, but he does not warrant comparison w/ Harper or any of the other uber propects who have come out, he's just not in that tier. Springer was fresh out of high school at Uconn when he was 19. Harper is also still only 21 and is a 2 time all star (while Springer is 24 and JUST reached the majors).

c'mon man, this has homeritis all over it, you'r avatar is even Astros. Springer is solid, but he's not the next great thing, heck even Justin Upton (who's about a year and a half older than he is but has been in the MLB for 8 years) would be a good ceiling for Springer, but Upton still had way more love from the scouts and he still could figure it out and reach his potential making that impossible.

Again, I see Grady Sizemore maybe Mike Cameron in Springer, thats not a bad thing, ... but people see Mickey Mantle in Bryce Harper, no one is seeing that in Springer.