#OSFM 17: Chicago Cubs World Series Champions

[OhioCub]

Quote: Originally Posted by Figment

Does anybody know what the rating, or setting, or whatever it is that makes Mike Montgomery's pitch meter move so slow? I know he is a good pitcher, but I can't time his meter because it is so much slower than everyone else on the team. I actually pitch better with him when there are runners on base because the "pressure is on" and his meter speeds up.

I believe it's tied into his motion. Try a different pitching motion and see if it changes.

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[trackstar121388]

Anyone have any tips on batting well with Almora Jr?

[whodeycin85]

What is everyone rating canderlario at, 59 seems to low?

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[mjh91]

Anyone have a faster choice of pitching motion for Montgomery and Edwards? Or are those the most realistic looking ones?

[OhioCub]

Do any of you do your own pitch edits for the Cubs? I do but I'm debating what to do about hendricks change up. I gave him a circle change to represent his normal change up but I'm not sure how to replicate his cut-change. Obviously the game doesn't have a representation of the pitch so I'm going back and forth between a straight change or a slow cutter. Anyone have an opinion to share for one way or the other? Is there a different pitch type I should be considering that closer represents the break of that pitch?

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[bmf395]

Quote: Originally Posted by mjh91

Anyone have a faster choice of pitching motion for Montgomery and Edwards? Or are those the most realistic looking ones?

also curious on this?

[Figment]

Quote: Originally Posted by bmf395

also curious on this?

The stances and delivery thread say for Mike Montgomery to use Vet Windup 18. I think it's a little better, faster delivery, but still slow. I haven't seen anything for Carl Edwards though. I'll check the older years and OSFM files to see what deliveries were used in previous versions of the game to see what fits when I get a chance.

Quote: Originally Posted by OhioCub

Do any of you do your own pitch edits for the Cubs? I do but I'm debating what to do about hendricks change up. I gave him a circle change to represent his normal change up but I'm not sure how to replicate his cut-change. Obviously the game doesn't have a representation of the pitch so I'm going back and forth between a straight change or a slow cutter. Anyone have an opinion to share for one way or the other? Is there a different pitch type I should be considering that closer represents the break of that pitch? Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

I don't usually do too many edits to pitches, but Hendricks definitely needs an update. I was watching the game yesterday and he clearly throws a 2-seam fastball and not a sinker, it has way more lateral movement, and his main changeup should definitely be a circle change, I have no idea what type of changeup would imitate his cut change. How does the vulcan change move? I don't know off the top of my head.

Do you think Arrieta should have a slider in his arsenal or should it be a cutter with a high break?

[OhioCub]

Quote: Originally Posted by Figment

I don't usually do too many edits to pitches, but Hendricks definitely needs an update. I was watching the game yesterday and he clearly throws a 2-seam fastball and not a sinker, it has way more lateral movement, and his main changeup should definitely be a circle change, I have no idea what type of changeup would imitate his cut change. How does the vulcan change move? I don't know off the top of my head. Do you think Arrieta should have a slider in his arsenal or should it be a cutter with a high break?

Actually, sinker is right for him. Going by pitch fx, which is always more accurate than what we visually see, he has quite a bit less lateral movement than alot of 2-seamers. What makes it look like so much is the lower velocity, which is also the same reason he should have a sinker. A 2-seamer with that low of velocity should always be a sinker. What gives the sinker its sink is the effect of gravity and a lower velocity pitch is always going to sink more than a high velocity pitch. Our eyes are trained in such a way that we don't visually perceive sink as much as we see lateral movement. That's why they call high 4-seamers rising fastballs sometimes. They have so much backspin that, to our eyes, they appear to defy gravity and appear to rise, even though they don't. Anyway, enough about that.

For the cut change, I've looked through everything and unless you make it a breaking ball (which I wouldn't recommend as it's a different type of break) there is nothing. circle changes drop and fade, vulcan changes drop and fade, straight changes just drop, as do splitters, forkballs and palmballs, which I believe covers the entire offspeed category. I'm leaning towards just using circle change as his main changeup and a straight change as his cut change. The cutter, even with lower velocity, doesn't sink the way it should.

As for Arrieta, his slider is a slider. The only reason some announcers call it a cutter is because in the past he's thrown it 90+ mph. He doesn't have the backspin on it to call it a true cutter though. A cutter should tail but also have enough backspin that it doesn't sink all that much. A slider should tail and sink because if thrown perfectly it should have no topspin or backspin either way, only lateral spin. Last year Arrieta's slider only had, on average, 2.44 inches of backspin. Compare that to Kenley Jansen's cutter and you'll see he had, on average, 9.22 inches of backspin on average. Both elite pitches but obviously different. Ironically, Jansen's slider could be classified as a slurve as it has 1.88 inches of topspin on average.

If you're interested I could post my personal pitch edits for the Cubs pitchers.