Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

[Jonotheking9]

I’ve been thinking about this recently in my franchise and so was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or experiences with this in The Show.

Has anyone experimented with editing pitchers either way and if so what rules/adjustments have you used to edit attributes to keep things with a ‘sim’ feel (e.g. raising or lowering stamina obviously and then changes to per 9’s, velocity of pitches etc.).

Would love to know if anyone has any experience with this or thoughts and suggestions about it.

Or if there are any threads about this topic anyone knows about I’d love to see them.

Thanks in advance.


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[GoJays09]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

I’ve been thinking about this recently in my franchise and so was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or experiences with this in The Show.

Has anyone experimented with editing pitchers either way and if so what rules/adjustments have you used to edit attributes to keep things with a ‘sim’ feel (e.g. raising or lowering stamina obviously and then changes to per 9’s, velocity of pitches etc.).

Would love to know if anyone has any experience with this or thoughts and suggestions about it.

Or if there are any threads about this topic anyone knows about I’d love to see them.

Thanks in advance.


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Generally what I've done is found relievers with starter-like attributes and likewise starters with reliever-like attributes and kept everything status quo except the stamina, occasionally pitching clutch too if they're being converted to a reliever. In cases where I want the pitcher to be a long reliever I sometimes don't touch anything at all, their overall will always change just from changing the positions though.

[BrianM207]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

Ill echo the long reliever statement. I recently moved Harvey to the bullpen in my franchise...because art imitated life!! I didn't touch anything due to wanting to use him for spot starts here and there or moving back to the rotation.

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[Jonotheking9]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

Thanks I get the starter moving to long relief/spot starter I use that quite a bit. I was thinking more of Starters to MRP or late inning bullpen relief and vice versa which I know doesn’t happen as much.

I’ve got quite a few good starters who haven’t done too well as starters but could do well as relievers


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[Caulfield]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

For starters going to the 'pen, I will lower their stamina once a week by 5 until they are at half of what they were when they started. And vice-versa for relievers moving into the rotation. I will raise their stamina by five every start until they are double what they were in the pen

[Cycloniac]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

For starters going to the 'pen, I will lower their stamina once a week by 5 until they are at half of what they were when they started. And vice-versa for relievers moving into the rotation. I will raise their stamina by five every start until they are double what they were in the pen

I like this idea

What do you do for CPU teams?

[Caulfield]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

I like this idea

What do you do for CPU teams?

I leave them as is. But if I had time to go through and track each teams rotation and 'pen, I could do the same for them. But I wouldn't really know if the cpu intended to make a reliever a starter permanently
or if it's only temporary out of necessity.

[Houston]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

If you like sticking with SCEA ratings the relievers are from 20-25 stamina, and sometimes if there a long reliever they would be about 40 in stamina.

When they do there updates and a RP goes to a SP and vice versa it usually looks like this.

RP - SP: 25 stamina to 65 [I would just add 40 to there original rating]
SP - RP: 70's-80's etc [Subtract about 40 from there stamina rating]

[Jonotheking9]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

Thank you for the ideas. It gives me some things to try going forward in my franchise.

Any other thoughts on this topic would be welcome too.


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[mhagf4]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

I do this every offseason with a prospect or two in my franchise. The stamina adjustments are pretty easy, but I also adjust as follows (not a hard rule, just generally speaking)

Clutch, H/9, K/9: all up by 5 or so points
BB/9 and HR/9: I leave untouched.

Up the velocity on fastball (all types) by 3-5 MPH. Up the velo on secondary pitches by 1-3 MPH. Up the break on breaking balls by 5-8 points.

Lastly, I will usually eliminate a pitch or two (depending on what the players current mix is). Most relievers are 2 or 3 pitch guys. So, if it's a starter with 4-5 pitches, i'll usually get it down to 3.

[sink4ever]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

There's a past discussion about it here. On the 3rd page is a link to a spreadsheet I created as an attempt to translate the expected change to actual ratings. It's all very rough but maybe will give you a place to start at least.

[Jonotheking9]

Re: Converting Starters to Relievers and vice versa

There's a past discussion about it here. On the 3rd page is a link to a spreadsheet I created as an attempt to translate the expected change to actual ratings. It's all very rough but maybe will give you a place to start at least.

Thanks very much for this. I’m not too good with spreadsheets etc. but I’ll definitely give it a look and maybe try to implement some of your ideas.


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