Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

[ninertravel]

It must have something to do with the career stats. because even with someone's service time edited to 1000 these players are still going for 'rookie of the year' even though they are not eligible. this defeats the purporse of being able to edit service time. the idea was to kill their rookie status.

yet they won't show up on the top prospect list though... the game must still have them programmed in as a rookie no matter what but not a top prospect. unless you give them some career stats I guess. really screws us with 21 rosters using for 20.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Rookie eligibility is determined by AB for hitters and IP for pitchers not service time.

If they start the season eligible and under those minimums they will be eligible for ROY.

You can put those players in a franchise with roster control on and sim for a year then export them then import them on top of the one with no stats and it will fix it in the roster you want to use.

[ninertravel]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Rookie eligibility is determined by AB for hitters and IP for pitchers not service time.

If they start the season eligible and under those minimums they will be eligible for ROY.

You can put those players in a franchise with roster control on and sim for a year then export them then import them on top of the one with no stats and it will fix it in the roster you want to use.

That is not true at all

A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons): 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues. 45 total days on an active Major League roster prior to Sept.

so they have exceeded 45 days therefore it doesn't matter about ABs or Innings pitched

You also can't export a lot of those players that are face scanned too. so that doesn't work here.

[Houston]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

You just can't take a old game and turn it into the new version by updating rosters without some kind of work around. It will not be perfect no matter what you try.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

That is not true at all

A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons): 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues. 45 total days on an active Major League roster prior to Sept.

so they have exceeded 45 days therefore it doesn't matter about ABs or Innings pitched

You also can't export a lot of those players that are face scanned too. so that doesn't work here.

I am aware of that but we are talking about in game.

In the game it only counts the AB or IP. Not the service time. The handbook in game will confirm this and was what I was referring to.

And they won't show up as prospects because they have enough service time.

It is the double edged sword with trying to use rosters for a year later without adding stats in.

[ninertravel]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

I am aware of that but we are talking about in game.

In the game it only counts the AB or IP. Not the service time. The handbook in game will confirm this and was what I was referring to.

And they won't show up as prospects because they have enough service time.

It is the double edged sword with trying to use rosters for a year later without adding stats in.

so what your saying is we are basically screwed for 2021 without exporting options then too for missing vets. because to create a missing vet with service time they will have no career stats (because we can't import or export next year) and just have to wait and rely on SDS roster updates every week for any missing vets because there is now no way to get around this in the future, because no Y2Y saves.... so this isn't just a mlb 20 problem it's going to be a 21 problem for anyone who wants to create a non rookie.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

so what your saying is we are basically screwed for 2021 without exporting options then too for missing vets. because to create a missing vet with service time they will have no career stats (because we can't import or export next year) and just have to wait and rely on SDS roster updates every week for any missing vets because there is now no way to get around this in the future, because no Y2Y saves.... so this isn't just a mlb 20 problem it's going to be a 21 problem for anyone who wants to create a non rookie.

Correct. A vet with 8 years service time and no stats or stats below rookie qualification will be considered rookies.

Service time does work correctly for arbitration and free agency even with no stats.

[Houston]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Not true, the old way was the vets turn generic u find someone close to who u need then edit there name, service time , but issue will be team names they played for.

[ninertravel]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Not true, the old way was the vets turn generic u find someone close to who u need then edit there name, service time , but issue will be team names they played for.

You mean before the export player option trick. ?? yes that can get around it.. the problem always with that way was it took a good months of updates before we got a exportable player to be able to do that in the past. wrong stats and teams but at least he wasn't seen as going for rookie of the year. like that 49 year old rockies player in 2012

This is why I think importing previous years options won't be there. not just because of the xbox but if Y2Y saves isn't happening then the 'turn generic' thing won't be in the game therefore why would old rosters turn players generic?? they would also have to have that option in as well as add this mode only for Play station.

21 will be a terrible year for roster editing. I will just have to pretend the rookie of the year voting doesn't exist. or will drive me nuts otherwise looking at that.

[Houston]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

I think guys on ps4 will still have the option. Its nit the end of the world, we're just spoiled lol years ago it was done from scratch and u make do with what tools we had.

Myself and others will figure out some kind of work around.

You mean before the export player option trick. ?? yes that can get around it.. the problem always with that way was it took a good months of updates before we got a exportable player to be able to do that in the past. wrong stats and teams but at least he wasn't seen as going for rookie of the year. like that 49 year old rockies player in 2012

This is why I think importing previous years options won't be there. not just because of the xbox but if Y2Y saves isn't happening then the 'turn generic' thing won't be in the game therefore why would old rosters turn players generic?? they would also have to have that option in as well as add this mode only for Play station.

21 will be a terrible year for roster editing. I will just have to pretend the rookie of the year voting doesn't exist. or will drive me nuts otherwise looking at that.

[Houston]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Attention guys, if your wanting accurate 20 rosters there's major issues accomplishing that. Look at my list pay attention to guys in RED. SDS never bothered fixing these players.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show-rosters/966610-mlb-show-20-sds-roster-update-players-added.html

[Caulfield]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

something doesn't jibe here.

I understand why not wanting to buy 21 because you cannot continue on in a carry-over save with your already started franchise. keywords here, ''already started''

so instead you rollover your 20 franchise and get the 2021 season in on 20.

so shouldn't the rookies in 20 have accrued stats in your 2020 season so they won't be up for RoY in 2021?
which brings me to the next obvious step in what's happening: so you decide not to continue in 20 with a 2021 season but rather instead start anew with the 2021 season in 20 with rosters set beforehand by updating service time and making the appropriate transactions. which means you have no need for your old Y2Y carry-over saves at this point. so probably the most logical thing is pick up Show 21 in a couple weeks and go from there.
presto-cadabra problem solved

again, I absolutely totally get skipping on 21 because of lack of carry-over ability but that reason is moo if you're starting fresh in 20 with a 2021 season anyways. at this point, unless money's an issue, I'd get 21

[Funkycorm]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

something doesn't jibe here.

I understand why not wanting to buy 21 because you cannot continue on in a carry-over save with your already started franchise. keywords here, ''already started''

so instead you rollover your 20 franchise and get the 2021 season in on 20.

so shouldn't the rookies in 20 have accrued stats in your 2020 season so they won't be up for RoY in 2021?
which brings me to the next obvious step in what's happening: so you decide not to continue in 20 with a 2021 season but rather instead start anew with the 2021 season in 20 with rosters set beforehand by updating service time and making the appropriate transactions. which means you have no need for your old Y2Y carry-over saves at this point. so probably the most logical thing is pick up Show 21 in a couple weeks and go from there.
presto-cadabra problem solved

again, I absolutely totally get skipping on 21 because of lack of carry-over ability but that reason is moo if you're starting fresh in 20 with a 2021 season anyways. at this point, unless money's an issue, I'd get 21

And that is what I would do. Just start a franchise in MLB20 and sim the 2020 season with 30 team control and make all of the moves.

I think what people are doing is taking MLB 20 with a "2021 roster" and starting in 2020. Thus getting 2 years worth of players eligible for rookie of the year because the game has different rookie eligibility rules than real life.

I think the easier solution is to sim with a 2020 roster to 2021 but the downside is that is not sharable. Plus I think with the retirements in the game may not match real life and that would be another issue. But I figure one could just record and edit the first draft class to vets but the downside to that would be no service time accrued and run into the same problem.

Personally, this is why I never have cared about 100 percent accurate 90 man rosters because they will never be accurate. Most everyone's favorite prospects they want in the game outside of those close to MLB ready are in rookie or low A ball and would not be on the roster. I think people want all 90 players to be real. Which is cool. I get the reason why people like that. It is not how I play personally though.

I am personally taking the default MLB21 roster and making a ton of edits to make it balanced long term and going from there. I would rather have fake players in A ball than worry about everything being completely accurate and not balanced like we see with most every "real life" rosters especially long term.

Anyway, that's my unrelated rant.

[ninertravel]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

something doesn't jibe here.

I understand why not wanting to buy 21 because you cannot continue on in a carry-over save with your already started franchise. keywords here, ''already started''

so instead you rollover your 20 franchise and get the 2021 season in on 20.

so shouldn't the rookies in 20 have accrued stats in your 2020 season so they won't be up for RoY in 2021?
which brings me to the next obvious step in what's happening: so you decide not to continue in 20 with a 2021 season but rather instead start anew with the 2021 season in 20 with rosters set beforehand by updating service time and making the appropriate transactions. which means you have no need for your old Y2Y carry-over saves at this point. so probably the most logical thing is pick up Show 21 in a couple weeks and go from there.
presto-cadabra problem solved

again, I absolutely totally get skipping on 21 because of lack of carry-over ability but that reason is moo if you're starting fresh in 20 with a 2021 season anyways. at this point, unless money's an issue, I'd get 21

Because you are gonna get retirements of quite a number of players and all sorts of mess you can't fix that is why.

my real reason for no y2y saves is because of roster making... we can't do our export tricks not having it. also this year was gonna be the first year I actually use the damm option because the game wasn't out till mid April. so yeah there is my answer to you on all of that

todays latest video also didn't have me running out to buy 21. unless I hear 2 words 'expanded rosters' I am sticking to 20 and putting up with the rookie of the year being wrong

[Caulfield]

Re: Editing service time still makes rookies of 2020 rookies of 2021

Because you are gonna get retirements of quite a number of players and all sorts of mess you can't fix that is why.

lol yep, one of the things I'm anxious to see how plays out is which important pieces to the roster are missing. then also will be looking to see, since carry-over franchise files are doa, is if at least like last year, whole rosters from 20 can be imported to 21. everyday I'm feeling like that's more & more unlikely