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  • #1
    rjackson
    MVP
    • Apr 2005
    • 1661

    Directional/Classic or MoM sliders


    I decided to go ahead and post my sliders. A big shout out to Nomo for his extensive play-testing which was a big influence. He is responsible for most of the information I used that wasn't me playing and also identifying certain issues such as default BABIP being too low, LD% too low, etc. Nomo, you are the slider king in my book and have been for a few years. Please keep in mind that this could be considered a starting point or a base to leap from as things change due to many variables including differences in how you play and how I play.


    I am just posting the sliders as playing with a clean screen and stuff is all user preference.


    I also prefer directional hitting most of the time. Skills ratings take much more precedent whereas zone minimizes contact ratings and makes power ratings much more important amongst other things it skews. Both are realistic in their own ways but I know the first thing I'd do if I played zone would be to increase the difficulty on my hitting.


    Some final notes, these were done using directional hitting and classic pitching and not quick-counts. I don't use quick counts and have no idea how they affect the game. Also, difficulty levels are an important thing. I do not recommend using these sliders if you are not comfortable playing these difficulty levels. However, the error sliders are perfect for any level.

    These sliders are a base and it changes based on your own expectations, experiences, skill levels, and who knows what else. This is where I am and I'm very happy. You might find more happiness with other sliders if you have different expectations. Me, I wanted to get as close to real life as possible in stats and gameplay.

    Hitting: All-Star difficulty level with Directional hitting
    Pitching: Hall of Fame with Classic
    Dynamic Difficulty Sensitivity 0
    Human Contact 6 (BABIP too low if you go lower)
    Human Power 6 (4 gets too few doubles, low wind keeps HR's from inflating)
    Human Timing 4
    Stride Difficulty 5 (doesn't matter, dead slider)
    Human Foul Frequency 3 (accurate %)
    Human Solid Hits 6 (BABIP increaser and gets closer to accurate % of line drives - game gives too many flies)
    Human Starter Stamina 6
    Human Reliever Stamina 6
    Human Pitcher Control 5
    Human Pitcher Consistency 4 (% of walks based on this)
    CPU Contact 6 (these are all the same as HUM)
    CPU Power 6
    CPU Timing 4 (CPU needed a bit more K's and this gives it to them)
    CPU Foul Frequency 3
    CPU Solid Hits 6
    CPU Starter Stamina 6
    CPU Reliever Stamina 6
    CPU Pitcher Control 5
    CPU Pitcher Consistency 4
    CPU Strike Frequency 6
    CPU Manager Hook 3 (increase to 7 mid-game once they go to pen as long as it is not a long reliever)
    CPU Pickoffs 5
    Fastball Pitch Speed 5
    Off speed Pitch Speed 6
    Fielding Errors Infield 8 (error #'s derived from Nomo who did extensive testing of these)
    Fielding Errors Outfield 5
    Throwing Errors Infield 7
    Throwing Errors Outfield 8
    Fielder Run Speed 3 (OF is most correct here, affects doubles and flairs, ball hangs too long on flies but can't really fix that)

    Fielder Reaction 5
    Fielder Arm Strength Infield 5
    Fielder Arm Strength Outfield 5
    Baserunner Speed 5
    Baserunner Steal Ability 5
    Baserunner Steal Frequency 5
    Wind 3 (Wind too high makes too many dingers)
    Injuries 9
    Last edited by rjackson; 07-15-2017, 10:55 AM.
  • #2
    No.27
    Pro
    • Dec 2015
    • 543

    Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders


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    Thanks for posting these. Combining Armors and Nomos knowledge of the game as a base seems like a great idea for a slider set. You have obviously done lots of research when putting these together. I'm going to give them a run for a few games at least.
    Last edited by No.27; 06-17-2017, 06:51 PM.

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    • #3
      rjackson
      MVP
      • Apr 2005
      • 1661

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      Let me know how it goes. I might have to take control to 3 but want to give it more time.

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      • #4
        No.27
        Pro
        • Dec 2015
        • 543

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        Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders

        Originally posted by rjackson
        Let me know how it goes. I might have to take control to 3 but want to give it more time.
        I'm going to use them with justmuncs Fictional 17 which I think has pitcher control ratings a bit lower than OFSM so I could be in for some wild games

        Despite my fears when using justmunc Fictional 17 everything has been going well with couple of games I have used the sliders so far.

        The hitting sliders played beautifully and I'm pleasantly surprised dropping the timing to 4 has actually bought more offense and hit variety than at 5. Maybe I was getting too many "good hits" straight at fielders when I was on 5. This combined with solid hits at 6 has seemed to increase my doubles as well.

        The pitching sliders worked well even with control at 2. I think raising the strike frequency to 6 was a bit of magic because pitchers aren't getting behind in the count and panicking. The CPU actually felt more "human" and pitched the way I like to. However I do need to see the bottom of the rotation to get more of an idea.

        The error/fielding/baserunner combination is as good as I've used all year and believe me I've tried them all! Everything is there and in good order. Errors, dropped catches, missed throws, close plays at first, guys running the base paths properly, stolen bases, bloopers dropping fair and balls going over fielders heads.

        All in all great job with these and even though it is early days I can see myself sticking with them going forward. Thanks for taking the time to share them.
        Last edited by No.27; 06-18-2017, 05:39 AM.

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        • #5
          forme95
          MVP
          • Nov 2013
          • 3118

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          Looks nice. I'll have to give these a try. Steal @6 I think is perfect in my MoM and in my play series. I don't believe it has anything to do with pitch speed. Pitch speed is a visual aid only. It doesn't effect the game in any other form.
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          • #6
            Brewers 15
            Rookie
            • Mar 2015
            • 115

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            I have had a hard time getting this year's game to play how I want for some reason . I am very picky on how realistic the stats are I guess . Anyway these are the best sliders for me for sure !! Thanks and great job of blending it together from 2 of the best slider makers out there .works perfectly for me

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            • #7
              rjackson
              MVP
              • Apr 2005
              • 1661

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              I am glad these sliders are helping someone! Thanks for the kind words. After 1.09, I have dropped power back to 5 and may do the same with contact. I got in a few games today and it really has changed. I had to be sure since I am playing in Colorado but I am pretty convinced now.

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              • #8
                No.27
                Pro
                • Dec 2015
                • 543

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                Good call on the lowering the contact and power. Have you got any more thoughts on raising the Hum/CPU control from 2 to 3. I'm using your sliders with my OFSM season and Default sliders with my Fictional franchise. I have two thoughts on raising it. Firstly when using Directional/Classic if we really want ratings to shine control at 2 tends to nerf the really goods pitchers a fair bit. Secondly when playing my Fictional franchise with Default Hum/CPU Default control 5 I find both myself and the CPU chase pitches a lot more often.

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                • #9
                  rjackson
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 1661

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                  Yes, I have been thinking of doing that! How are your walks looking? I have my Rox as #2 in the league and got 8 walks each on games started by Ryu and Hill of the Dodgers. Hill was painting the black a lot, too! I don't want to fall to slideritis and adjust too often so if you have been using them, I would be curious to know. Control might make a few pitches look closer and not so easy to take for ball 4. Consistency to 5 would cut them down even more, maybe too much.
                  Last edited by rjackson; 06-27-2017, 09:22 PM.

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                  • #10
                    No.27
                    Pro
                    • Dec 2015
                    • 543

                    Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders


                    Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders

                    Originally posted by rjackson
                    Yes, I have been thinking of doing that! How are your walks looking? I have my Rox as #2 in the league and got 8 walks each on games started by Ryu and Hill of the Dodgers. Hill was painting the black a lot, too! I don't want to fall to slideritis and adjust too often so if you have been using them, I would be curious to know. Control might make a few pitches look closer and not so easy to take for ball 4. Consistency to 5 would cut them down even more, maybe too much.
                    Understand your thoughts on slideritis. That's why I'm playing my Fictional franchise with Default sliders just to see what it's like not to have to worry about anything! If you were to give me a choice to change just one of yours it would be to raise control to 3 for both the Hum/CPU. I drew six walks last game and am chasing about even with the CPU which is usually not enough. I'm also finding elite pitchers don't dominate enough and am having trouble seeing any starter (Hum/CPU) getting past the 7th inning. My understanding of the control slider is that it will make an elite pitcher more effective without changing walks and strikeouts too much. I believe it also has the effect of getting the Hum/CPU to chase more often. I only really noticed the stark difference with the CPU chasing after playing a few games with Default sliders. Let me know what you decide.

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                    • #11
                      Brewers 15
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 115

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                      I guess my team must be slumping right now as I have not been hitting expecially for power . It's weird how it seems this year that so many are having opposite problems it seems. I have had slideredisis since I got NBA 2k in October so for now I am going to leave it alone . Hope it works out because I have got tired of starting over !!

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                      • #12
                        rjackson
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 1661

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                        Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders

                        Originally posted by No.27
                        Understand your thoughts on slideritis. That's why I'm playing my Fictional franchise with Default sliders just to see what it's like not to have to worry about anything! If you were to give me a choice to change just one of yours it would be to raise control to 3 for both the Hum/CPU. I drew six walks last game and am chasing about even with the CPU which is usually not enough. I'm also finding elite pitchers don't dominate enough and am having trouble seeing any starter (Hum/CPU) getting past the 7th inning. My understanding of the control slider is that it will make an elite pitcher more effective without changing walks and strikeouts too much. I believe it also has the effect of getting the Hum/CPU to chase more often. I only really noticed the stark difference with the CPU chasing after playing a few games with Default sliders. Let me know what you decide.
                        Nomo is pretty much done with his first run-through post-patch and it is confirming our observations (bias? ) that the 1.09 patch had a significant effect in some areas. Power definitely needs to come back down but moving the control up a single notch is a good idea as well. You are right about the effects that the slider has - I lowered it to get more deep strikes or meatballs along with a more realistic feel of accuracy in our games but the game plays pretty well even with a slightly lower amount of deep strikes (and 2 to 3 is slight in the game play). I'm even thinking about going to 4 to be honest, at least if the power stays up. I've been pondering going to AS+ on hitting as well. Now might be the time since I feel like I am back to scratch on the pitching, contact, and power sliders.
                        Originally posted by Brewers 15
                        I guess my team must be slumping right now as I have not been hitting expecially for power . It's weird how it seems this year that so many are having opposite problems it seems. I have had slideredisis since I got NBA 2k in October so for now I am going to leave it alone . Hope it works out because I have got tired of starting over !!
                        Keep in mind that the game starts to adjust on you over time. For the first couple of series when they want a double play and are holding that runner on first, I look for pitches low and in to a right handed batter. After I get a couple of xbh's on that, they start going high and outside hoping for pop-ups and not grounders through the hole. Adjust with them and you'll get out of the slump. Don't start over, either. No need. If you look at all the data that Nomo has accumulated, it is not going to have a significant long-term effect if you make slider adjustments part way through. Likely, you will be needing to make them as you get further and further into the franchise. Play and enjoy the game! I used to be a perfectionist about rosters and sliders, too. It isn't worth it. It is much more exciting to get through free agency and draft pools, get that feeling of something shiny and new in your line-up/rotation.

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                        • #13
                          Brewers 15
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 115

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                          Thanks for the advice , I will stick with it , I love this game so I will get the season in no matter what ! Heck I better since my wife would kill me for buying a ps pro and a 4k tv just for this game hehe no other games really matter to me

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                          • #14
                            rjackson
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 1661

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                            Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders

                            Originally posted by Brewers 15
                            Thanks for the advice , I will stick with it , I love this game so I will get the season in no matter what ! Heck I better since my wife would kill me for buying a ps pro and a 4k tv just for this game hehe no other games really matter to me
                            I am in the same boat as you!

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                            • #15
                              No.27
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2015
                              • 543

                              Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders


                              Re: Directional/Classic or MoM sliders

                              Just out of interest what is your ideal deep strike count? So I can compare how many I'm getting when using your sliders and Default.

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