WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

[Grinder12000]

Title says it all. I'm starting to think it's accumulative as I have players going up BUT then again they are hot.

Should I treat WAR like Runs Created which I always divide into plate appearances?

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

WAR is accumulative. All the WAR he earns (or loses) each game/appearance is added up together.

Even in the course of a career, it's summed up, not averaged.

WAR already factors in PAs as well.

[Grinder12000]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

That's too bad. I was looking for some better "per plate appearance" stat. Like Runs created per AB or something. TY

I wish BOP was calculated correctly. I like that one but it's a totally wrong stat in The Show (which just adds up AVG,OB and SLG and is totally useless) as opposed to the REAL BOP - Base Out Percentage

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

That's too bad. I was looking for some better "per plate appearance" stat. Like Runs created per AB or something. TY

Do WAR/PA.

That's his WAR gained (lost if negative) per PA.

You'd have to figure it yourself, but you'd need to get just 2 values.

You could also then multiply that WAR/PA by a number to compare/judge a different way.

WAR/600 PA (WAR/PA*600) is one popular way.


Edit: Looked up BOP - interesting stat. I might have to run it on my squad and see what I get.
(Total Bases + BB + HBP + SB + SH + SF) / (AB - Hits + CS + GIDP + SH + SF)

[Mekias]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

WAR probably wouldn't be good as a per plate appearance stat. It includes defense and base running as well as hitting. Basically WAR tries to estimate the total value of a particular player. A person with a 10 WAR means that the player is worth 10 Wins Above Replacement for his team. A Replacement level player is a zero WAR player that can be easily found in the minor leagues. Theoretically, the team would have 10 more wins over the course of the year with the 10 WAR player than the replacement level guy.

The position you play will also affect your WAR. For example, a first baseman can't earn as much WAR from his defense as a shortstop or center fielder can. First base isn't considered a premium position so gets a penalty.

[Unlucky 13]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

The position you play will also affect your WAR. For example, a first baseman can't earn as much WAR from his defense as a shortstop or center fielder can. First base isn't considered a premium position so gets a penalty.

I learned that the hard way, too. I moved Kris Bryant from 3B to LF around mid season, and his WAR was cut to a third of what it had been. Even though he's a MVP candidate, he's not in the top 5 in WAR on my own team.

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

I learned that the hard way, too. I moved Kris Bryant from 3B to LF around mid season, and his WAR was cut to a third of what it had been. Even though he's a MVP candidate, he's not in the top 5 in WAR on my own team.

I really, really wish we could see the defensive run values.

How is defensive WAR/runs calculated? Judging by this, at the very least some form of positional adjustment is in. Wonder what else is there.

I think my Schwarber is suffering a similar WAR fate. He's mostly my DH - so despite a pretty strong offensive season, Chapman, used mostly as setup with some closer opportunities, is almost as valuable by WAR.

Makes me wonder if leverage index is in there as well for pitchers. I imagine I throw Chapman into a lot of pivotal situations which are likely higher leverage - and he's been freaking awesome.

[Unlucky 13]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

I really, really wish we could see the defensive run values.

How is defensive WAR/runs calculated? Judging by this, at the very least some form of positional adjustment is in. Wonder what else is there.

I think my Schwarber is suffering a similar WAR fate. He's mostly my DH - so despite a pretty strong offensive season, Chapman, used mostly as setup with some closer opportunities, is almost as valuable by WAR.

Makes me wonder if leverage index is in there as well for pitchers. I imagine I throw Chapman into a lot of pivotal situations which are likely higher leverage - and he's been freaking awesome.

And Schwarber has gotten a bump with me, since I've played him mostly at catcher, and he hasn't commited an error. I think his WAR is triple that of Bryant, who also has a high fielding percentage.

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

And Schwarber has gotten a bump with me, since I've played him mostly at catcher, and he hasn't commited an error. I think his WAR is triple that of Bryant, who also has a high fielding percentage.

Yeah, I'm trying to get Schwarber's defense up because him at catcher =

I dabble with him there in interleague play (I'm Boston so when the game is in an NL park, Schwarber plays catcher).

[Unlucky 13]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

Yeah, I'm trying to get Schwarber's defense up because him at catcher =

I dabble with him there in interleague play (I'm Boston so when the game is in an NL park, Schwarber plays catcher).

I don't how it works on higher difficulty levels, but I play on veteran, where defense at catcher doesn't seem to matter much either way, so it works for me.

[Mekias]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

I really, really wish we could see the defensive run values.

How is defensive WAR/runs calculated? Judging by this, at the very least some form of positional adjustment is in. Wonder what else is there.

I think my Schwarber is suffering a similar WAR fate. He's mostly my DH - so despite a pretty strong offensive season, Chapman, used mostly as setup with some closer opportunities, is almost as valuable by WAR.

Makes me wonder if leverage index is in there as well for pitchers. I imagine I throw Chapman into a lot of pivotal situations which are likely higher leverage - and he's been freaking awesome.

I don't think defensive WAR in this game bears much relation to real life defensive WAR. The only defensive stats I see are range factor, errors, assists, and putouts. There's no "defensive runs saved" or "ultimate zone rating" that are typically used for dWAR. They probably created their own defensive WAR based on the limited stats in the game. I'm not really sure.

There's no positional adjustment for pitchers. The low innings of a reliever tends to keep their WAR low. Since the modern day reliever came into vogue (about 1988), the best WAR years were from Jonathan Papelbon in 2006 (5.0 WAR) and Mariano Riviera in 1996 (5.0 WAR). Starting pitchers can get quite a bit higher. I know Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez were up near 12 WAR at the height of their careers. For position players, Barry Bonds at his 'roid-fueled heyday was near 12 WAR as well. Shows how dominant his bat was as he wasn't playing a premium defensive position. I believe his dWAR was actually negative during those years.

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

I don't think defensive WAR in this game bears much relation to real life defensive WAR. The only defensive stats I see are range factor, errors, assists, and putouts. There's no "defensive runs saved" or "ultimate zone rating" that are typically used for dWAR. They probably created their own defensive WAR based on the limited stats in the game. I'm not really sure.

Could be. I know when I tried to calculate WAR (back in MLB13) for my players, I had to dicker with something to try to come up with that component.

There's no positional adjustment for pitchers. The low innings of a reliever tends to keep their WAR low. Since the modern day reliever came into vogue (about 1988), the best WAR years were from Jonathan Papelbon in 2006 (5.0 WAR) and Mariano Riviera in 1996 (5.0 WAR).

Yeah, there's no position adjustment, but there is (or can be) a leverage adjustment.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/4/29/856308/bullpen-chaining-and-reliever-war

I wonder what that would spit out for Chapman and a 1.63 ERA in 90 innings as a SU/CL mixed role (so almost always high leverage)?

I might have to run that through the spreadsheet I made to try to figure WAR myself and see what it spits out.

[Mekias]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

Could be. I know when I tried to calculate WAR (back in MLB13) for my players, I had to dicker with something to try to come up with that component.




Yeah, there's no position adjustment, but there is (or can be) a leverage adjustment.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/4/29/856308/bullpen-chaining-and-reliever-war

I wonder what that would spit out for Chapman and a 1.63 ERA in 90 innings as a SU/CL mixed role (so almost always high leverage)?

I might have to run that through the spreadsheet I made to try to figure WAR myself and see what it spits out.

Ahh, I misread what you said. If there is a leverage adjustment in this game for pitcher WAR, it would probably be REALLY simple. Most innings would be normal while a 9th inning combined with a save situation = 2 times the value. I doubt they would do much more than that but it's hard to say. They never seem to spend too much time or effort with stats. If you figure out the calculation (or some approximation of it), I would be curious about it.

[KBLover]

Re: WAR - is this an average or accumulative ??

Ahh, I misread what you said. If there is a leverage adjustment in this game for pitcher WAR, it would probably be REALLY simple. Most innings would be normal while a 9th inning combined with a save situation = 2 times the value. I doubt they would do much more than that but it's hard to say. They never seem to spend too much time or effort with stats. If you figure out the calculation (or some approximation of it), I would be curious about it.

Yeah, I did a lot of research on it, but no idea where the links are to back it up now I tried to google, but had no luck at all.


But anyway:

What found was an approximation based on the "save opportunity rate" of the pitcher (i.e. how often the pitcher came in when he could get the save, hold, or he blew a save) and was name. The creator called this "rateLI"

SRate = (S + ((1/2 * BSV) + (1/2 * H))) / IP

rateLI = -0.3764*(SRate^2)+0.5034*SRate+0.5

Then from here you find the pitcher's leverage index, pLI:

pLI = rateLI / (1 - rateLI)


So Chapman has 13 saves, 3 blown saves, 15 holds in 91 innings. That gives him an SRate of, basically, 0.242.

His rateLI came out to be, basically, 0.6 (0.599702)

That put his pLI at 1.5.

When I ran his numbers through the whole spreadsheet, it came out:

ERA: 1.68
FIP: 1.73 (vs lgFIP of 3.93 and rep. FIP of 4.10)
RA: 2.08
pLI: 1.5
RARra: 30.5
RARfip: 34.5
R/W Conversion: 7.5
FIP WAR: 4.6
FDP WAR (RARra - RARfip): -0.53


There seems to be some debate on how much FDP (if any) to apply to WAR based on FIP. Of course, you could just use WAR based on RA. That would be 4.07. Probably best, just have two pure pieces of information.

For what it's worth, The Show has Chapman near 3 WAR.