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  • Mekias
    Rookie
    • May 2009
    • 177

    #1

    Best Pitch Types

    I'm curious to find out what kind of success people have with each of the pitch types. I haven't been able to try them all out myself but there are some I've had a lot of experience with. I'm particularly interested in getting swings and misses. What's your best strikeout pitch? General thoughts below, ranking from top to bottom.

    4-seam Fastball - May be a bit boring but to me it's the best pitch in the game. Easiest to control and provides a good amount of whiffs, especially high in the zone.

    Slider - My favorite strikeout pitch. Not easy to control but certainly easier than curveballs and I get a lot of swings and misses.

    Change-up - I tend to include all the changeups in one category as they seem practically identical. I prefer a circle change on the outside against opposite-handed batters as it tails away from them. Good ability to induce whiffs and weak grounders but you have to make sure to keep it low in the zone or it will get hammered. I tend to set up slightly below the zone so I'm less likely to make a mistake.

    Cutter - doesn't induce a lot of misses but it's good for getting on the bat handle against an opposite-handed batter and it's fairly easy to control. I try to use it tailing away from same-handed batters (like a slider) but they seem to hit it pretty well and don't chase it enough.

    12-6 Curve - Of the curves, I only have good experience with this pitch and the regular curve. The other types I'm not familiar with. I like this one best due to the downward breaking action. It works well against both lefties and righties and induces lots of grounders and pop ups. I feel like I should get more whiffs on it but the computer doesn't seem to chase balls low in the zone enough.

    Curve - Better against same-handed hitters. I can occasionally get them to chase both below the zone and outside the zone. It feels like if I make a mistake though, this pitch always gets hit hard. Curves in general are very tough to control so I'm a bit scared to use it.

    2-seam Fastball - Good pitch for inducing grounders and easy to control. I don't get a lot of whiffs with it. Less likely to get destroyed if you make a mistake.

    Running Fastball - I thought I would like this pitch since I like the cutter but the movement doesn't seem as biting to me. I feel like I have to be more careful.

    Sinker - Great for groundballs but if you make a mistake up in the zone it will get hit pretty hard.

    Splitter - Have very little success with this. It can only really be used at the very bottom of the zone (or preferably below the zone). This should be a great swing-and-miss pitch but the computer doesn't chase it enough and it gets demolished if I make a mistake.

    The rest of the pitches I haven't had much experience with. If you have information on the others or want to contradict my views on the above pitches, please let me know. Maybe I'm using a pitch incorrectly or setting up in the wrong location. What's the most fun for you?
    Last edited by Mekias; 07-12-2016, 11:25 AM.
  • Ghost Of The Year
    Sweet Emotion.
    • Mar 2014
    • 6344

    #2
    Re: Best Pitch Types

    My favorite is the 12-6. The 4sm fastball & 2sm fastball are an extremely close second.Changeup (any kind) is third.
    Cutters sinkers sliders slurves curves sweepers & runners are all tied after my Top 3.
    I don't go out of my way to get pitchers with forkballs/splitters, knuckle curves or knucklers,
    but if it's in their arenal, I will make use of it.

    I don't play online anymore but when I did I liked the screwball.
    It's real benefit came from the fact most people don't see it a lot.

    I can see a definite difference in a couple of the changeups & if I have my druthers, it'd be the Circle.
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    • Godgers12
      MVP
      • Dec 2012
      • 2265

      #3
      Re: Best Pitch Types

      The 12-6 curve is nasty. Use it in DD all the time. I have Walker, and his 72 MPH 12-6 after 95 MPH heat is unhittable, people just can't lay off it. Hell even if you hang it they won't do much with it because their timing will be so off.
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      • Mekias
        Rookie
        • May 2009
        • 177

        #4
        Re: Best Pitch Types

        I agree. Those big, slow 12-6 curves are so hard to hold back on. I either swing too early or too high. I can never figure out the break.

        Guys with changeups that are like 18-20 mph slower than their fastball also screw me up. I almost have to guess which one is coming and hope I'm right.

        I haven't seen the computer hitters have a problem with those speed differences but human opponents definitely do.

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        • KBLover
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2009
          • 12172

          #5
          Re: Best Pitch Types

          CPU hitters can have hard times with changes of speed (though it depends on their contact/timing sliders and your pitcher's ratings).

          As far as pitches - I like all the exotic ones Forkballs (well I guess that's not that exotic), palmballs, screwballs, knuckleballs, vulcan change. I like the "named" curves (sweeping, 12-6, ideally both to change the break angle)

          Among the "regular" pitches, circle change is my favorite, especially if the pitcher has a break that goes opposite, like a cutter or slider, so I can play one off the other and start both in the same spot. Same or close velocity is better for me in this case - it will mimic the other better until the movement.

          Second favorite is the 2-seam fastball. Just a versatile pitch, not just for inducing grounders. Sinker here, too I guess...considering they are the same thing with the same movement...2-seam/sinker + CCH is a tough combo.

          Strikeout pitch - the pitcher will tell me. I.e. which ever one he's most confident in at the time.
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          • Sgexpat
            Rookie
            • May 2016
            • 292

            #6
            Re: Best Pitch Types

            I think the overall best pitch is a hard two seam fastball with high break. Huge swing and miss potential and nice downward action

            Pair it with a circle change (#2 most deadly pitch IMHO) and you are pretty golden.

            A hard cutter would be my #3 and the 12-6 #4.

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            • BENVCR
              Rookie
              • May 2016
              • 44

              #7
              Re: Best Pitch Types

              Has to be the slider. Nastiest pitch in the game undoutably, especially against human opponents. When guys are chucking 90MPH sliders with a good break it's damn near unhittable.

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              • Figment
                Pro
                • Jan 2009
                • 772

                #8
                Re: Best Pitch Types

                4 Seam Fast Ball has probably given me the most strikeouts, especially if I take a lot of heat off on the strike three pitch I'll usually get them looking.
                Sliders are a close second (but Cubs pitchers have really good sliders). I get more chasing with that pitch.
                I've had decent success with the change up this year, and in previous years I've had really good success with a splitter, but none of my Cubs pitchers have a splitter this year.
                Cutters are Nast though, especially against same handed batters. I get most of my strikeouts looking sneaking a cutter inside.
                I struggle with the curveball. I would like to hear how you guys use your curveball for strikeouts. How do you set it up and where do you put it to get the strikeout? Are they generally looking or swinging?

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                • WhiteBunny
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 332

                  #9
                  Re: Best Pitch Types

                  For me Slider is the overall best strikeout pitch of the game, especially when you fish outside the strikezone vs IA. I also like curveballs but with meter pitching - which i use - it's really hard to have consistent locations and i always end to drop a meatball ready for the stratosphere.

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                  • Sgexpat
                    Rookie
                    • May 2016
                    • 292

                    #10
                    Re: Best Pitch Types

                    Originally posted by Figment
                    I would like to hear how you guys use your curveball for strikeouts. How do you set it up and where do you put it to get the strikeout? Are they generally looking or swinging?
                    Against the same hand I usually pound the fastball high and inside (on or near the corner) for a couple pitches and then throw it over the outside edge or inside edge. I find they chase more on the outside and watch more on the inside edge. I don't put it in my top 5 probably, because of its relatively high risk of being hung for a massive homer if I miss the release point. If you've just thrown one and say, gotten your 2nd strike looking, another one aimed well outside can often get someone to chase as it will look similar to what they just saw.

                    I do also find curves are a great first pitch, though, more so than a finishing pitch.

                    Against opposite hand hitters I don't use it a ton as a strikeout pitch but if I do I aim it low and inside and generally try to miss the plate to minimise the risk of it getting hit. The back-door curve is a nice opener against the opposite hand too.

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                    • bselken
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 26

                      #11
                      Re: Best Pitch Types

                      A couple questions:

                      1. Have you guys noticed an effect on sim performance regarding pitch types? I know that's hard to pin down due to the high number of variance and that each pitcher has multiple pitches, but just wondered if anyone had noticed anything.

                      2. Have you noticed a change in swing/miss after upgrading movement on the 4-seam? I'm working on my pitcher in RTTS, and I've completely ignored the movement on his 4-seamer. I'm starting to think that might have been a mistake.

                      3. Based on what I've seen, the higher the "velocity" is on change-ups and curveballs, the slower the pitch?

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                      • KBLover
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 12172

                        #12
                        Re: Best Pitch Types

                        Originally posted by bselken
                        2. Have you noticed a change in swing/miss after upgrading movement on the 4-seam? I'm working on my pitcher in RTTS, and I've completely ignored the movement on his 4-seamer. I'm starting to think that might have been a mistake.
                        Movement "helps" (or maybe "modifies") the pitcher's K/9 rating to induce swings and misses.

                        I've read here in the past that the movement ratings are averaged or such to create the "real movement" of the pitches. This was in relation to a "why upgrade 4-seam movement" type question.

                        Of course, 4-seam fastball SHOULD have movement, so it's good to give them at least something decent, even if you have a power guy.


                        Originally posted by bselken
                        3. Based on what I've seen, the higher the "velocity" is on change-ups and curveballs, the slower the pitch?
                        Change-up class, yes (CIR, CH, PLM, VCH). Curves, I think they work like the others (at least in the editor they do). Yu Darvish has 0 velocity on his 12-6 on the roster I'm using and it's 68 MPH.

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                        • bselken
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 26

                          #13
                          Re: Best Pitch Types

                          Originally posted by KBLover
                          Change-up class, yes (CIR, CH, PLM, VCH). Curves, I think they work like the others (at least in the editor they do). Yu Darvish has 0 velocity on his 12-6 on the roster I'm using and it's 68 MPH.
                          Thanks for the response! And from what I'm gathering from other comments elsewhere, would you agree that the lower the velocity the better it is on a 12-6 curve?

                          EDIT: And conversely, the higher velocity (and therefore slower speed) the better on change-ups?

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                          • KBLover
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 12172

                            #14
                            Re: Best Pitch Types

                            Originally posted by bselken
                            Thanks for the response! And from what I'm gathering from other comments elsewhere, would you agree that the lower the velocity the better it is on a 12-6 curve?

                            EDIT: And conversely, the higher velocity (and therefore slower speed) the better on change-ups?

                            It can be- it depends on your pitcher's overall repertoire and what you want to recreate and how you want to attack hitters.

                            So if you want your guy to be like Darvish and drop a 68 MPH hammer once in a while - you can leave it low. Or if you wanted a power curve, an 80+ MPH breaker with sharp, sudden dive, you want maxed velocity rating.

                            The velocity ratings are as much to set up where your pitches sit more than anything else.
                            "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                            • bselken
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 26

                              #15
                              Re: Best Pitch Types

                              Originally posted by KBLover
                              It can be- it depends on your pitcher's overall repertoire and what you want to recreate and how you want to attack hitters.

                              So if you want your guy to be like Darvish and drop a 68 MPH hammer once in a while - you can leave it low. Or if you wanted a power curve, an 80+ MPH breaker with sharp, sudden dive, you want maxed velocity rating.

                              The velocity ratings are as much to set up where your pitches sit more than anything else.
                              Gotcha. In general, I've liked using my 4-seam FB and slider as a power pitcher, but I'm looking to have a pitch or two to really change timing/speed.

                              I guess it would probably be best to have my curve somewhere in the middle with my circle velocity bar all the way to the top making it very slow, that way I would have different speeds for each pitch to make timing more difficult. Thoughts?

                              Also, thanks for your quick responses, you're awesome!

                              EDIT: I'm thinking something along the lines of this:
                              4-seamer: 95-100 MPH
                              Slider: 90ish MPH
                              Curve: 75-80ish MPH
                              Circle change: 70ish MPH
                              Last edited by bselken; 08-08-2016, 02:46 PM.

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