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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42526

    #1

    Night skies

    I first brought this up in the Presentation Twitch Stream thread (with picture examples, comparisons, and edits), but it wasn't quite the right place to talk about it. Now that the game is out, consider this to fall right into any other wishlist.

    I know this is something I've been hoping for as a change since they've implemented time-of-day progression back in MLB '09: The Show. They just haven't ever quite gotten night skies right. Not back then, and not now. For all that they do have good, this is the one lacking part.

    And I don't mean the pitch black skies, I mean the transition after sunset. As of the PS4 generation, they have presented a yellow/brownish sky, which I don't really believe is something possible to see on a side of the sky that the sun is not on (at least when the skies are clear). Other colors will present themselves (mostly blue), but what they have just doesn't quite seem right.

    I could provide all of the picture examples in the world, but instead I will present two GIFs: as it is and "as it should be" (note that what I have isn't perfect because I'm working off The Show's gradients, but alas it doesn't look too bad all the same).







    In case that is moving too quickly, here are a few stills from those GIFs.

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    Some people see this as a small thing. I think it's pretty big, considering all of us see this when we hit and most franchise games are at night. I don't know what it will take on their end, but every time before the year they mention they are working on lighting, I'm always hoping the skies are a part of what they are looking at.

    And I think this is just phase one. They've lit the players much better this year, but now the field and stadiums need that kind of illumination that they get as well. Sure there are dark spots here and there, but Busch Stadium at night surely gets a lot more than they are showing here.




    (speaking of blue skies)


    Though that is for a different topic, I suppose (unless this thread is about all nighttime scenery whatsoever).

    EDIT: For comparison's sake, I lit up some signage and environments on the field to slightly match that shot more. Just to kind of bring us to that feel a little more. I didn't brighten the seats much though.


    Last edited by Blzer; 04-10-2017, 11:34 PM.
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  • My993C2
    MVP
    • Sep 2012
    • 1588

    #2
    Re: Night skies

    There is also a bug where if you start out the game with overcast skies, there is no gradual shift from day into night. The game will abruptly shift from one inning with plenty of light (obscured of course by the overcast clouds) to pitch black night time.

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    • kaptainkarl76
      Rookie
      • Mar 2010
      • 336

      #3
      Re: Night skies

      Minor leagues it feels as if you are playing in the middle of nowhere in some parks and at night it is pitch black..

      Moonlight would be nice to have...

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      • Blzer
        Resident film pundit
        • Mar 2004
        • 42526

        #4
        Re: Night skies

        Originally posted by kaptainkarl76
        Minor leagues it feels as if you are playing in the middle of nowhere in some parks and at night it is pitch black..

        Moonlight would be nice to have...
        It should get pitch-black at night, though. That's what the ambient light does to the sky outside of the stadium... once you get to that point at night.

        Having the moon would be nice, though. Maybe if they had the moon's cycle.
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        • SmashMan
          All Star
          • Dec 2004
          • 9743

          #5
          Re: Night skies

          Can't agree with this more. It's better than a few years back when it was a more saturated "end of the world" yellow, but I'd love it if they changed it up for next year so the dominant sky color in transition sequence was blue. Light blue to dark blue sky, pink and yellow almost entirely in a gradient from the sunset, with a little more use as highlights in the clouds? It'd look beautiful.

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          • kaptainkarl76
            Rookie
            • Mar 2010
            • 336

            #6
            Re: Night skies

            Originally posted by Blzer
            It should get pitch-black at night, though. That's what the ambient light does to the sky outside of the stadium... once you get to that point at night.

            Having the moon would be nice, though. Maybe if they had the moon's cycle.
            The moon cycle would be awesome now that there is night and day..especially a full moon with those moving clouds..









            Yeah, I suppose you are right, it should be pitch black the more pictures I see

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            • Tomahawk Chop Braves
              Rookie
              • May 2014
              • 13

              #7
              Re: Night skies

              I could be wrong but I feel like the lighting timing is off by one inning especially at night.

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              • Playboy™
                Rookie
                • Jan 2011
                • 385

                #8
                Re: Night skies

                i agree with this 100%

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42526

                  #9
                  Re: Night skies

                  Originally posted by Tomahawk Chop Braves
                  I could be wrong but I feel like the lighting timing is off by one inning especially at night.
                  What do you mean? That it's just a bit too light?

                  If so, I agree. Some of my "June" games don't get pitch black ever because the game ends too soon, even though I played a normal amount.

                  My GIF is starting really early, though. Probably around the 5:00 time.
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                  • Greencollarbaseball
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 926

                    #10
                    Re: Night skies

                    Your edits look tons better, especially the brightness of the signage. Good work.


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                    • R9NALD9
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 1268

                      #11
                      Re: Night skies

                      Great thread! Couldn't agree more!
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                      • MLB14
                        Pro
                        • May 2014
                        • 636

                        #12
                        Re: Night skies

                        Weather doesn't change how those colors appear in the game?

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                        • Blzer
                          Resident film pundit
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 42526

                          #13
                          Re: Night skies

                          Originally posted by MLB14
                          Weather doesn't change how those colors appear in the game?
                          Clouds sort of do, as they would in real life. Clouds in the sky could give you a full array of different colors (specifically the blue, purple, and oranges if the sun is below them and hitting them that way). But you'll mostly only get those in the same direction as the sun is, and in all parks the sun sets behind the stadium's foul side, not fair side. So we really should be mostly getting blue, or gray if we're talking about clouds... or black if it is night.

                          Originally posted by Jon Arbuckle
                          And blzer, I already praised your changes to the dusk skies in the Presentation thread but I'll repeat myself here: they look great and the team should be looking to incorporate them into the game.
                          Why, thank you.

                          As for your rant on start times, you're pretty much spot on: they already have these times in the game given that they have a 24-hour clock in place (that changes by the batter), so I don't see why it couldn't possibly be implemented. Just a design decision on their end, is all.
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                          • MLB14
                            Pro
                            • May 2014
                            • 636

                            #14
                            Re: Night skies

                            Originally posted by Blzer
                            Clouds sort of do, as they would in real life. Clouds in the sky could give you a full array of different colors (specifically the blue, purple, and oranges if the sun is below them and hitting them that way). But you'll mostly only get those in the same direction as the sun is, and in all parks the sun sets behind the stadium's foul side, not fair side. So we really should be mostly getting blue, or gray if we're talking about clouds... or black if it is night.
                            That answer is thorough, lol.. Maybe they should consult you on certain things.

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                            • JayD
                              All Star
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5457

                              #15
                              Re: Night skies

                              Originally posted by My993C2
                              There is also a bug where if you start out the game with overcast skies, there is no gradual shift from day into night. The game will abruptly shift from one inning with plenty of light (obscured of course by the overcast clouds) to pitch black night time.
                              I saw this as well. Was laying a 7:30 game with overcast skies and then boom, pitch black. I mentioned on the bugs thread within another similar thread but never created a report for it.

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