Salary Cap Franchise

[koreyc16]

Hi guys I have been new to the forum this year and everyone has given me some great pointers to improve my game experience. In 16 i tried experimenting with a 30 team control salary cap league and it was a disaster. I'm trying again right now because i want a league that year to year is different team success. I'm controlling all rosters without playing as one specific team. Has anyone tried to do a league with a fictional salary cap? I am in the first off-season so I am working on free agent offers right now. I do not really know what a good salary cap would be but I have been trying an excel spreadsheet to keep tabs on all team needs and total salary. Any advice anyone might have would be great.

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[TheWarmWind]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

In the NHL, the hard cap is 15% above the soft cap. This is done to allow breathing space for mid season trades and contract bonuses.

The soft cap exists in the Show just like real life. I'm not sure where it's at or how to calculate it, but I'd say you should follow the NHL model and put your hard cap a certain percentage above the soft cap.

FYI the soft cap is when the luxury tax kicks in. Basically for every dollar spent above the soft cap, a team has to put another dollar into the revenue sharing pool above what they already owe.

[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

In the NHL, the hard cap is 15% above the soft cap. This is done to allow breathing space for mid season trades and contract bonuses.

The soft cap exists in the Show just like real life. I'm not sure where it's at or how to calculate it, but I'd say you should follow the NHL model and put your hard cap a certain percentage above the soft cap.

FYI the soft cap is when the luxury tax kicks in. Basically for every dollar spent above the soft cap, a team has to put another dollar into the revenue sharing pool above what they already owe.

Thank you I think that is where my problem is going to be trying to find that soft cap. I just dont want to end up with Red Sox Cubs Nationals Dodgers and such every year. I'd like to think that the Padres and Braves can be competitive and i can have a league with parity between all markets and see what happens

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[The Chef]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I gotta admit this is kind of a fascinating idea that I wish I had thought of earlier. If I burn out on my Seattle franchise I might give this a whirl through 30 team control and make those tough decisions for all the teams. The offseason will be a bit tough to do since you'd have to sign players for every team otherwise someone is bound to go over the "cap" and then you're constantly fixing things so if you figure out a good system to tackle feel free to share it here as it genuinely has me intrigued.

[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I gotta admit this is kind of a fascinating idea that I wish I had thought of earlier. If I burn out on my Seattle franchise I might give this a whirl through 30 team control and make those tough decisions for all the teams. The offseason will be a bit tough to do since you'd have to sign players for every team otherwise someone is bound to go over the "cap" and then you're constantly fixing things so if you figure out a good system to tackle feel free to share it here as it genuinely has me intrigued.

As of right now I have a spreadsheet split between American and National League with a full 90 list to make sure i have the salaries for the whole team top to bottom. The cap idea came because i wanted teams to have to go up and down go through rebuilds and have players become cap casualties

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[disk]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

Well the average MLB payroll this year is a little over $150M, a cap at 150 would bring teams like the Dodgers, Yankees etc down and Rays, A's etc up and I think 150M would be pretty good, you can field a really good team but still have some "cap casualties" when your 90+ A potential guys hit 6+ years of service.

Average MLB salary for 2017 is $4.47M, x25 comes out to a little over 111M which is too low in my opinion for a good team. But maybe cap MLB player salary budget at ~111M and use whatever for scouts and coaches.

I like the idea a lot, a little more involved than I would like but sounds fun, good luck!

[koreyc16]

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I'm making some adjustments to this idea since trying to do this at the start of the offseason wasn't a smart move. Ive read some of the other posts and I'm going to be rerunning this after i build the spreadsheet. I'm going to be changing the rosters to have everyone at 75 durability and start with everyone's potential at a minimum of 70.

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[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

Well the average MLB payroll this year is a little over $150M, a cap at 150 would bring teams like the Dodgers, Yankees etc down and Rays, A's etc up and I think 150M would be pretty good, you can field a really good team but still have some "cap casualties" when your 90+ A potential guys hit 6+ years of service.

Average MLB salary for 2017 is $4.47M, x25 comes out to a little over 111M which is too low in my opinion for a good team. But maybe cap MLB player salary budget at ~111M and use whatever for scouts and coaches.

I like the idea a lot, a little more involved than I would like but sounds fun, good luck!

Yea it is a little involved so its more of a project for right now. I have a RTTS and a Diamondbacks franchise so this is a spare time thing for right now.

I looked at a salary cap of between 150-175 for 25man roster and 210 for the full 90 using an OS Hybrid roster. If anyone has suggestion on a good roster I'd appreciate it and run more tests. I think i will have to do a little more than 150 if i use the Hybrid roster since out of the 30 teams 17 would be over the 150 or right at it. I'm looking at possibly 165.
At 165 the teams in cap trouble are Yankees Giants Mets Dodgers Nationals Cubs Red Sox. Cutting from those teams would greatly benefit teams like Oakland.

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[disk]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

Ah I didn't even think about teams being over the cap to begin with haha. It would take a lot of trading to get everyone under a 150-175M cap before you play even one season... I think I have talked myself into trying this, sounds really fun.

[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

Ah I didn't even think about teams being over the cap to begin with haha. It would take a lot of trading to get everyone under a 150-175M cap before you play even one season... I think I have talked myself into trying this, sounds really fun.

I did a test just on the AL East using The OS Hybrid 2.0 rosters and $165 million 25man roster $200 million total cap. The only team over the cap is the Blue Jays 1.4 million over on their 25 man. I will post below the 5 teams 25 then 90 cap spaces.

Baltimore 34.8/49.6
Boston 12.5/16.76
Yankees 2.0/22.24
Tampa 82.89/110
Toronto -1.44/27.94

I am going to do the NL West next. I figure because of the Dodgers and Gaints that division will tell if 165 works

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[rtwilli4]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I gotta admit this is kind of a fascinating idea that I wish I had thought of earlier. If I burn out on my Seattle franchise I might give this a whirl through 30 team control and make those tough decisions for all the teams. The offseason will be a bit tough to do since you'd have to sign players for every team otherwise someone is bound to go over the "cap" and then you're constantly fixing things so if you figure out a good system to tackle feel free to share it here as it genuinely has me intrigued.

I'm doing the offseason for 30 team control right now to make sure teams spend enough money (my roster started with real contracts so the teams budgets are big).

1. Turn all CPU contracts and free agents and trades to manual.

2. Anyone who is a FA, offer them a 1 year 500k contract.

3. Turn CPU controls to Auto and sim a day. If you're lucky, all of those FAs are still unsigned but the CPU has signed a few of their minor league guys. Save and try to sim another day without a big FA resigning with his team. You might have to try a few times but the 500k offer usually keeps up for a day or two.

4. Get the CPU to sign as many low level guys as possible by simming and saving and then switch the controls back to manual.

5. Once you get through the exclusive signing period you can withdraw all the low ball offers and start working through the pre-arb and arb guys. I am making offers to 15-25 players per franchise using realistic money.

6. Sim a few days and sign as many players as you can who are going to make between 500k and 1.2ish mil.

7. Then you can start working on anyone who is going to make more money. Go through each team and make offers based on what they actually need and how much money the teams have.

8. Sim a day at a time, update the offers as players sign. Some Free Agents will just take the best offer they get while others will choose less money for whatever reason (you make that up).

9. Now the majority of the free agents are signed, turn CPU controls back to Auto and let the teams fill out lower level rosters.





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[TheWarmWind]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I was just looking at my teams budget and I noticed that the competative balance tax (AKA the luxury tax) column has the current years tax threshold clearly printed in it. Turns out you don't have to calculate it.

So you could copy the NHL system by taking that, adding 15% and bam, there is your hard cap.

Are you thinking about copying other cap systems by adding a salary floor as well?

[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I was just looking at my teams budget and I noticed that the competative balance tax (AKA the luxury tax) column has the current years tax threshold clearly printed in it. Turns out you don't have to calculate it.

So you could copy the NHL system by taking that, adding 15% and bam, there is your hard cap.

Are you thinking about copying other cap systems by adding a salary floor as well?

I am still working on adding all the players to an excel spreadsheet i was away for a few days so I got delayed. I probably will copy the NHL system with having a floor of 70-75% spending which would put the minimum around 115-120 based on what i am using now. I will need to figure out something for trades and such but i will definitely look into other cap systems to perfect it.
I have only completed the AL East NL West and most of the AL Central so I have time to perfect it.

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[koreyc16]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

I have been looking into the different salary caps from the major sports. A Soft/Hard Cap on the 25 man roster and a floor is a definite. I think having a soft cap in place at the start of the season and using a hard cap for midseason trades.

If there is any interesting salary cap stuff you think I should implement let me know and I'll look into it

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[disk]

Re: Salary Cap Franchise

If you going to keep a spreadsheet I would seriously look into implementing some kind of salary retention. You would obviously have to keep track of it yourself but it's the kind of thing that happens all the time and would make trading much more interesting.