Stamina Progression

[KGIY94]

Hi All,

MLB 17 is the first I've bought since 13, and the biggest change I noticed is that pitcher stamina does not progress at all! I understand not being able to upgrade speed, but young pitchers in real life are stretched out way more than they were as 18-22 year olds.

It's just frustrating that a guy like Josh Hader's stamina can never get to 70 and consequently no 200 inning seasons.

Tbh, when you sim a bunch of seasons like I do the progression is all over the place and confusing (we all know about the ultra-regression issues for years). I like how there are higher ranges of outcomes for player potential, but I miss the emails that tell you when potential increases or decreases.

But anyway, is the stamina thing a bug or a design choice?

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by KGIY94

Hi All, MLB 17 is the first I've bought since 13, and the biggest change I noticed is that pitcher stamina does not progress at all! I understand not being able to upgrade speed, but young pitchers in real life are stretched out way more than they were as 18-22 year olds. It's just frustrating that a guy like Josh Hader's stamina can never get to 70 and consequently no 200 inning seasons. Tbh, when you sim a bunch of seasons like I do the progression is all over the place and confusing (we all know about the ultra-regression issues for years). I like how there are higher ranges of outcomes for player potential, but I miss the emails that tell you when potential increases or decreases. But anyway, is the stamina thing a bug or a design choice?

It is a design choice. I edit stamina personally based on potential:

A = 85 or above
B = 80-84
C = 75-79
D = 70-74
F = 69 or below

Consequently I'll also adjust lower stamina guys to be relievers at times, spot starters. There really isn't a concrete formula that I follow, just how I would possibly handle things if I was managing that organization.

[tessl]

Quote: Originally Posted by KGIY94

Hi All, MLB 17 is the first I've bought since 13, and the biggest change I noticed is that pitcher stamina does not progress at all! I understand not being able to upgrade speed, but young pitchers in real life are stretched out way more than they were as 18-22 year olds. It's just frustrating that a guy like Josh Hader's stamina can never get to 70 and consequently no 200 inning seasons. Tbh, when you sim a bunch of seasons like I do the progression is all over the place and confusing (we all know about the ultra-regression issues for years). I like how there are higher ranges of outcomes for player potential, but I miss the emails that tell you when potential increases or decreases. But anyway, is the stamina thing a bug or a design choice?

Progression has changed and not for the better. Unfortunately with only one developer assigned to franchise I wouldn't look for improvement any time soon. I guess we will find out either next week in the franchise stream or when the game is released.

[KGIY94]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

It is a design choice. I edit stamina personally based on potential: A = 85 or above B = 80-84 C = 75-79 D = 70-74 F = 69 or below Consequently I'll also adjust lower stamina guys to be relievers at times, spot starters. There really isn't a concrete formula that I follow, just how I would possibly handle things if I was managing that organization.

I admire your enthusiasm, but you shouldn't have to go through that. It would be one thing if some prospects started out with high stamina ratings, but they're usually so low compared to the real players. It's like stamina is meant to be improved but just...can't.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by KGIY94

I admire your enthusiasm, but you shouldn't have to go through that. It would be one thing if some prospects started out with high stamina ratings, but they're usually so low compared to the real players. It's like stamina is meant to be improved but just...can't.

I wish that stamina progressed and that starters had higher stamina, but in the meantime I'll just use my unscientific formula...

[wellred]

It's an annoyance, but, the MLB game is going in that direction anyways. There's just too many hard throwing effective guys in bullpens these days and too many numbers to suggest that going through the batting order more 2-3 times with a starter is in most cases not the optimal use of your staff.

I'd even like to see a team try to start one of your elite relievers off for the first inning or maybe the first couple of innings, then bring in a more conventional starter type to get you through the middle innings, and then turn it over to your setup guy/closer. It might give you a better opportunity to score first, as such increasing your chances of winning and dictating the pace of the game.

If you look at it with more of a contemporary view or view moving forward on what teams could start to do, rather than just conventional view of what a SP is supposed to be able to do, it's less of an issue I think.

[dran1984]

Quote: Originally Posted by wellred

It's an annoyance, but, the MLB game is going in that direction anyways. There's just too many hard throwing effective guys in bullpens these days and too many numbers to suggest that going through the batting order more 2-3 times with a starter is in most cases not the optimal use of your staff. I'd even like to see a team try to start one of your elite relievers off for the first inning or maybe the first couple of innings, then bring in a more conventional starter type to get you through the middle innings, and then turn it over to your setup guy/closer. It might give you a better opportunity to score first, as such increasing your chances of winning and dictating the pace of the game. If you look at it with more of a contemporary view or view moving forward on what teams could start to do, rather than just conventional view of what a SP is supposed to be able to do, it's less of an issue I think.

Who are you? Brian Kenny?

#Bullpening

[wellred]

Quote: Originally Posted by dran1984

Who are you? Brian Kenny? #Bullpening

I could be any of the managers for any of the playoff teams last year. Did you watch?

Anyways, bullpening engaged.