WAR in the Show

[Caulfield]

SDS probably needs to recalculate their formula for Wins Above Replacement. Looking at Marcus Stroman, there is no way he had a better 2016 than 2017. 2017 is easily his best effort to date. The Show has is 2017 WAR as 3.6 & his 2016 WAR as 4 even.

Baseball Reference has 2017 as 5.7 & 2016 as 1.5

[sacbillsfan]

Re: WAR in the Show

SDS probably needs to recalculate their formula for Wins Above Replacement. Looking at Marcus Stroman, there is no way he had a better 2016 than 2017. 2017 is easily his best effort to date. The Show has is 2017 WAR as 3.6 & his 2016 WAR as 4 even.

Baseball Reference has 2017 as 5.7 & 2016 as 1.5

There is more than one way to calculate WAR. bWAR uses ERA which doesn’t strip batted ball luck out they use a independent fielding component too but ERA is the key driver. FanGraphs uses FIP as the main component of pitcher fWAR so guys like Stroman or Hendricks will always beat their FIP based numbers. Neither are perfect but expecting the Show WAR to line up with one of multiple outlets for WAR is weird and means you probably don’t understand the stat itself.

[Comduklakis]

Re: WAR in the Show

I strongly disagree. It is rare that WAR from different sources isn't in the same ballpark. To have it be as far varied as Stroman from one WAR configuration is very odd

normal WAR variances are within a 1 or 2 points not a five point swing with one being 2.5 lower and the other being 2.5 higher. Usually variances stay with a player where one version of WAR values a player higher consistently year than another, not having the example the OP has.

Sounds like SDS got this one wrong

[1908_Cubs]

Re: WAR in the Show

I strongly disagree. It is rare that WAR from different sources isn't in the same ballpark. To have it be as far varied as Stroman from one WAR configuration is very odd

normal WAR variances are within a 1 or 2 points not a five point swing with one being 2.5 lower and the other being 2.5 higher. Usually variances stay with a player where one version of WAR values a player higher consistently year than another, not having the example the OP has.

Sounds like SDS got this one wrong

They're not always that close though. Especially with pitchers as outlined above. Someone like Jeff Samardjiza always scores well in fWAR because his FIP statistics well outplay his ERA.

In 2014 and 2015, he accrued 6.7 fWAR. In the same two year split, he accrued 2.1 bWAR. In one year alone, 2014, he had a 4.1 fWAR and a 1.8 bWAR split.

It's hard to say exactly what version of WAR is correct because we're not 100% sure of the formulas used. Which is why SDS's version probably has so much variance in how they calculate versus these two forms.

[Cod]

Re: WAR in the Show

Calculating WAR for pitchers is a beast of a task...

https://www.fangraphs.com/library/wa...-war-pitchers/

[Caulfield]

Re: WAR in the Show

There is more than one way to calculate WAR. bWAR uses ERA which doesn’t strip batted ball luck out they use a independent fielding component too but ERA is the key driver. FanGraphs uses FIP as the main component of pitcher fWAR so guys like Stroman or Hendricks will always beat their FIP based numbers. Neither are perfect but expecting the Show WAR to line up with one of multiple outlets for WAR is weird and means you probably don’t understand the stat itself.

Oh, I realise different sites use different methods. I guess what really holds back Show WAR is the small(er) amount of stats the game tracks. I think there are at least 5 more stats for the Show to keep count of before their WAR becomes a decent barometer.