New franchise trade logic

[tessl]

Pretty sure I read that no recently signed player would immediately be available to be traded for.

In my Pirates relocated franchise I can trade Oneil Cruz for Corey Seager. Maybe since Seager is already on a team it doesn't consider him a recently signed player.

I'm not going to make the trade because try to adhere to MLB rules and because Seager would eat up about 40% of my total payroll but I thought that was interesting.

[bayman]

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Didn't they just say the CPU wouldn't look to move them by putting them on the trade block and thus not trade them to another CPU team? If there is no explicit rule against trading them, it makes sense for the CPU to listen to trade offers for them if you are willing to give them more value in return.

[CBoller1331]

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Pretty sure I read that no recently signed player would immediately be available to be traded for.

In my Pirates relocated franchise I can trade Oneil Cruz for Corey Seager. Maybe since Seager is already on a team it doesn't consider him a recently signed player.

I'm not going to make the trade because try to adhere to MLB rules and because Seager would eat up about 40% of my total payroll but I thought that was interesting.

Yeah my guess is that there is no way for the computer to tell who is "recently signed" in year 1.

Also I started a general franchise feedback thread yesterday (probably got buried to page 2 of this forum) in hopes of having all issues w/franchise in one place and to suggest any work around. I will update it with this when I get the chance

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[tessl]

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Didn't they just say the CPU wouldn't look to move them by putting them on the trade block and thus not trade them to another CPU team? If there is no explicit rule against trading them, it makes sense for the CPU to listen to trade offers for them if you are willing to give them more value in return.

Except Oneil Cruz didn't make the opening day roster for the Pirates and his attributes are not remotely as good as Corey Seager.

Aside from the fact he can't legally be traded until June per MLB rules he also would never be traded even up for Oneil Cruz unless Texas wanted a fan revolt.

One of the things they hyped - and I was looking forward to - was trade logic reform. I'm not seeing the logic behind this.

[Mackrel829]

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Except Oneil Cruz didn't make the opening day roster for the Pirates and his attributes are not remotely as good as Corey Seager.

Aside from the fact he can't legally be traded until June per MLB rules he also would never be traded even up for Oneil Cruz unless Texas wanted a fan revolt.

One of the things they hyped - and I was looking forward to - was trade logic reform. I'm not seeing the logic behind this.

It's year one and I imagine Seager won't be considered a recently signed player because he was already assigned to the Rangers on the opening day roster.

Idk if that's actually in the game but it almost certainly won't apply to real life new signings if it is. I'm pretty sure it's the same with 2K, etc. When the game first comes out, you can trade your rookies and new signings immediately despite the team not being able to do so in real life (iirc).

With regards to trade logic in general, I've seen an improvement over a small sample size. Trading is way too complex to ever be able to accurately replicate in a video game but it's better than '21 imo.

[tessl]

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It's year one and I imagine Seager won't be considered a recently signed player because he was already assigned to the Rangers on the opening day roster.

Idk if that's actually in the game but it almost certainly won't apply to real life new signings if it is. I'm pretty sure it's the same with 2K, etc. When the game first comes out, you can trade your rookies and new signings immediately despite the team not being able to do so in real life (iirc).

With regards to trade logic in general, I've seen an improvement over a small sample size. Trading is way too complex to ever be able to accurately replicate in a video game but it's better than '21 imo.

I agree but Corey Seager for Oneil Cruz?

[CBoller1331]

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I agree but Corey Seager for Oneil Cruz?

When was the trade proposed and how were each performing?

[Mackrel829]

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I agree but Corey Seager for Oneil Cruz?

This is a weird trade but you seem to be implying that it's massively unfair for the Rangers. It's actually the opposite. Cruz is a much more valuable player than Seager.

I agree that the trade doesn't make sense but I think it's the opposite of what you're currently thinking. Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

[BoNity]

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Just my two cents, I am extremely disappointed with the new trade logic.

It has gotten worse imo.

I can get any top prospect for a c player and decent starter.

Johnathan schoop and Ryan kriedler will get me the best prospect in base ball. Witt Jr

[jcar0725]

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I've yet to see trade logic make much sense in any video game. I just try to make trades that make sense for both teams. And let the rest of the league fight it out.

In madden I can make a handful of trades in a row and eventually have 5 first round picks. So, I just have to avoid doing it lol

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[tessl]

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When was the trade proposed and how were each performing?

After the trading block filled with players 5 games into the season. First week of April.

Try it yourself. Start a Pirates franchise and trade Oneil Cruz for Corey Seager.

[tessl]

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Just my two cents, I am extremely disappointed with the new trade logic.

It has gotten worse imo.

I can get any top prospect for a c player and decent starter.

Johnathan schoop and Ryan kriedler will get me the best prospect in base ball. Witt Jr

What's unfortunate is y2y saves was left out and the improvements were trade logic and a dumbed down budget process such that you aren't really running a franchise - just a 40 man roster.

That's what we got instead of y2y saves.

[GR5Noles]

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Sometimes I think we get too wrapped around the axel with trade logic. Imagine the outrage if the Rockies traded Nolan Arenado for a middle of the rotation and a handful of mediocre prospects in a franchise. Or that the Cubs would trade Kris Bryant for two guys that weren't even among the Giants' top 20 prospects. Franchise players would be losing their mind over how unrealistic it would be, but teams actually make trades like this.

[jcar0725]

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The Indians return on francisco lindor was considered weak.

Sometimes I think we get too wrapped around the axel with trade logic. Imagine the outrage if the Rockies traded Nolan Arenado for a middle of the rotation and a handful of mediocre prospects in a franchise. Or that the Cubs would trade Kris Bryant for two guys that weren't even among the Giants' top 20 prospects.

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[CBoller1331]

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I think the computer has a hard time valuing prospects with the new player metric. Since Minor League stats are not stored, they have nothing to go off of except rating an potential, which is only part of how they calculate the player metric/trade metric. Players with 3+ years of stats can be valued more accurately since they have the data to use.


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