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  • billiethetree
    Rookie
    • Sep 2015
    • 168

    #1

    Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

    So I'm not the best player, but I made it to the Ruby league no problem but then missed the cutoff by 1 game to stay and got dropped back down. I was frustrated because while some of the teams I played beat me straight up, I had a lot of close games that felt like they came down to my guys just not making open shots and the other team hitting all kinds of junk. In fact, it felt like I could never take a contested shot ever and still missed a good portion of the open ones.

    Well, I think I figured out the problem and it was definitely using square to shoot. This may seem obvious to some, but I've never felt comfortable shooting with the pro stick as square has been shoot to me for like a decade. I knew that you got a slight shooting boost for doing it right, but I figured that would be negated by my not being able to pull straight down and by the turnovers created from confusing my shots with dribble moves.

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I just played a game online where I said **** it, and it was like night and day. I was hitting contested shots, nailed most of my open jumpers and it felt like even when I messed up the stick release or got a bad timing they would still go in at a higher rate than square shots that barely missed being green. I know it was only one game, but it was so obvious a difference it was a hallelujah moment. I'm not expecting this to take me on a romp of the diamond league, but at least now I should be able to comfortably beat opponents I should beat rather than having every game be a nail biter.

    So this is your PSA to anyone making the same mistake I was making. Do NOT use square to shoot, it's a huge disadvantage (in my experience, apparently others disagree so take it for what it's worth).
    Last edited by billiethetree; 10-29-2016, 04:37 PM.
  • KyrieAbuser
    Pro
    • Apr 2016
    • 655

    #2
    Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

    Speak for yourself, don't spread BS because you just couldn't shoot, I only shoot with square and I barley miss open jumpers.
    http://2kmtcentral.com/17/lineups/106923/cheesers

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    • billiethetree
      Rookie
      • Sep 2015
      • 168

      #3
      Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

      Originally posted by KyrieAbuser
      Speak for yourself, don't spread BS because you just couldn't shoot, I only shoot with square and I barley miss open jumpers.


      Whatever works for you man, just relating my experience. I doubt someone is going to read this and think 'Well, this is working way worse for me but I have to keep doing it because some guy on OS said so.'

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      • rttpragemonster
        Rookie
        • Sep 2015
        • 7

        #4
        Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

        Thanks for sharing this observation. At the beginning the game, I was using the shot stick but stopped when I realized how extreme the penalties were for being off to the right or left. I might give it another shot if people like you are having success with it.



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        • Bubba13laze
          Pro
          • Oct 2015
          • 866

          #5
          Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

          For me it depends, I use different controls for different types of shots.

          Attacking the basket, different types of layups, floaters, euro steps, dunks, etc, I only use the right stick. Also, I use the right stick for step back/spin shot. I also use the right stick for post moves, hooks, fades, and up and unders.

          However, when doing a catch and shoot stand still shot and dribble pull ups I use square.

          I developed this style a few years ago and stuck with it. I never have to think about what button I am going to use, this just works with me.

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          • Matt_1979
            Rookie
            • Apr 2014
            • 346

            #6
            Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

            I'm a square user too. How difficult was it to stick to using the Right stick??

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            • Matt_1979
              Rookie
              • Apr 2014
              • 346

              #7
              Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

              Originally posted by Bubba13laze
              For me it depends, I use different controls for different types of shots.

              Attacking the basket, different types of layups, floaters, euro steps, dunks, etc, I only use the right stick. Also, I use the right stick for step back/spin shot. I also use the right stick for post moves, hooks, fades, and up and unders.

              However, when doing a catch and shoot stand still shot and dribble pull ups I use square.

              I developed this style a few years ago and stuck with it. I never have to think about what button I am going to use, this just works with me.
              This is exactly what I do.

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              • knick9
                MVP
                • Nov 2007
                • 1517

                #8
                Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                I've shot both ways in freestyle and I can't tell the difference except some quick releases are tougher using the stick and some releases feel really natural with the stick. Idk if there is a boost for using the shot stick...

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                • tt500
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2015
                  • 749

                  #9
                  Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                  It cud be the input lag when using the button compared to the stick, my Internet isn't the greatest so I do experience getting more shots using the stick compared to using the button. It's weird since I get green releases often on open shots offline but online the button shots timing is so different to me. The stick does seem more forgiving, so I do agree with the OP. It could just be our Internet so those with faster connections wouldn't know.

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                  • billiethetree
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 168

                    #10
                    Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                    Originally posted by tt500
                    It cud be the input lag when using the button compared to the stick, my Internet isn't the greatest so I do experience getting more shots using the stick compared to using the button. It's weird since I get green releases often on open shots offline but online the button shots timing is so different to me. The stick does seem more forgiving, so I do agree with the OP. It could just be our Internet so those with faster connections wouldn't know.


                    That may be the case, my internet is not the best and originally when wondering why others were seemingly hitting a higher percentage of open looks I assumed it was because I was experiencing lag that they weren't.

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                    • Foldzy
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 1627

                      #11
                      Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                      are you guys using the 2k cam? I don't find much difference between the button and the stick, but when I switched from broadcast to 2k cam my percentages went way up.

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                      • billiethetree
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2015
                        • 168

                        #12
                        Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                        Originally posted by Matt_1979
                        I'm a square user too. How difficult was it to stick to using the Right stick??


                        I'm still not used to it and it's definitely gonna take some time, but it actually seems doable now. You just have to really set yourself to switching over and accept that you'll have some bad misses.

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                        • Offballer4life
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2016
                          • 695

                          #13
                          Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                          Originally posted by Foldzy
                          are you guys using the 2k cam? I don't find much difference between the button and the stick, but when I switched from broadcast to 2k cam my percentages went way up.
                          I've been using 2k for years, but last year switched to 2k Wire. Better view of the full court when necessary imo

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                          • Ball2Win3
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 54

                            #14
                            Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                            Originally posted by billiethetree
                            So I'm not the best player, but I made it to the Ruby league no problem but then missed the cutoff by 1 game to stay and got dropped back down. I was frustrated because while some of the teams I played beat me straight up, I had a lot of close games that felt like they came down to my guys just not making open shots and the other team hitting all kinds of junk. In fact, it felt like I could never take a contested shot ever and still missed a good portion of the open ones.

                            Well, I think I figured out the problem and it was definitely using square to shoot. This may seem obvious to some, but I've never felt comfortable shooting with the pro stick as square has been shoot to me for like a decade. I knew that you got a slight shooting boost for doing it right, but I figured that would be negated by my not being able to pull straight down and by the turnovers created from confusing my shots with dribble moves.

                            Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I just played a game online where I said **** it, and it was like night and day. I was hitting contested shots, nailed most of my open jumpers and it felt like even when I messed up the stick release or got a bad timing they would still go in at a higher rate than square shots that barely missed being green. I know it was only one game, but it was so obvious a difference it was a hallelujah moment. I'm not expecting this to take me on a romp of the diamond league, but at least now I should be able to comfortably beat opponents I should beat rather than having every game be a nail biter.

                            So this is your PSA to anyone making the same mistake I was making. Do NOT use square to shoot, it's a huge disadvantage (in my experience, apparently others disagree so take it for what it's worth).


                            Like you, I'm not the best player at 2k but I have discovered the shot stick is much more useful for me then square now. I had a game today where I accidentally set the Pro Stick to "Dribble moves only" and I struggled badly. I was able to pull out the win cuz I have found a defensive setting that works online.

                            Good luck in getting use to shot stick it took me bout two weeks to truly figure it out


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                            Only The Strong Survive- Allen Iverson

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                            • billiethetree
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 168

                              #15
                              Re: Finally figured out why I was struggling in MTO

                              Originally posted by Ball2Win3
                              Like you, I'm not the best player at 2k but I have discovered the shot stick is much more useful for me then square now. I had a game today where I accidentally set the Pro Stick to "Dribble moves only" and I struggled badly. I was able to pull out the win cuz I have found a defensive setting that works online.

                              Good luck in getting use to shot stick it took me bout two weeks to truly figure it out


                              Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                              Mind sharing your D settings?

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