Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

[simbayless]

Look at at the LeBron pics from 2k14-2k20
You will see bigger improvements each year
But on the new Consoles you see tiny improvements and 2k24 looks maxed out!nba-2k14-ps4-lebron-screenshot_1920.0.jpgnba-2k16-lebron-james-tattoos_157yettcla9r3150vicswga810.jpg14702318_907475292720971_7411050838676118194_n-e1492553459844.jpgnba-2k18-lebron.jpghor-ng-03.jpg

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[m29a]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

A LOT of the extra power of the new consoles went towards native 4K resolution, which is extremely demanding (also remember 2K plays at 60 fps as well).

A lot of other new games are able to offer enhanced visual fidelity because they use a dynamic scaling resolution that starts at 1440p and there can be artificial intelligence that sharpens the quality as well. It has been said that sometimes fake 4K can look better than real 4K in some games. Digital Foundry has some interesting tech dives on this.

Also in general true new games (not cross-gen) may be moving back to 30 fps, like Starfield because it allows for extra asset quality, lighting, effects etc. Don't be surprised if the next Grand Theft Auto is at 30 fps.

Can 2K look better? Yes. But it requires the developers to utilize other technology and more importantly give up native 4K. They need to maintain 60 fps for very smooth input. It's not hard to believe that currently if they add more effects and lighting, and better crowds, the performance is going to tank.

Edit: I doubt the average 2K user would notice the difference between 1440p and 4K unless they're sitting unusually close to their TV -- even ignoring the extra detail you can add with 1440p.

[KobeDropped81]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

A LOT of the extra power of the new consoles went towards native 4K resolution, which is extremely demanding (also remember 2K plays at 60 fps as well).

A lot of other new games are able to offer enhanced visual fidelity because they use a dynamic scaling resolution that starts at 1440p and there can be artificial intelligence that sharpens the quality as well. It has been said that sometimes fake 4K can look better than real 4K in some games. Digital Foundry has some interesting tech dives on this.

Also in general true new games (not cross-gen) may be moving back to 30 fps, like Starfield because it allows for extra asset quality, lighting, effects etc. Don't be surprised if the next Grand Theft Auto is at 30 fps.

Can 2K look better? Yes. But it requires the developers to utilize other technology and more importantly give up native 4K. They need to maintain 60 fps for very smooth input. It's not hard to believe that currently if they add more effects and lighting, and better crowds, the performance is going to tank.

All for them giving up on native 4k. Most of their user base doesnt care about 4k and couldn’t tell the difference between 4k and 1080p/1440p

[DL1287]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

Hopefully this is the last 2k released on PS4 and Xbox One. I don’t want 2k25 releasing on consoles from 2013.

[JKSportsGamer1984]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

They need to give us a Performance Mode like Madden has. I've been saying this for years. Idk why they haven't added this yet. All sports games should have it. I would gladly take a hit in resolution for a smooth 60fps or unlocked framerate in all areas, not just gameplay. The framerate is a lot smoother this year for the after basket cut scenes, but still very choppy at times in other areas (player introductions, players walking to the bench, certain replays, etc.) I didn't think we would still have these issues this far into this gen..

[KobeDropped81]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

Yeah performance mode would be great. For me, graphical fidelity >>> resolution.

[Pray_iv_m3rcy]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

They need to give us a Performance Mode like Madden has. I've been saying this for years. Idk why they haven't added this yet. All sports games should have it. I would gladly take a hit in resolution for a smooth 60fps or unlocked framerate in all areas, not just gameplay. The framerate is a lot smoother this year for the after basket cut scenes, but still very choppy at times in other areas (player introductions, players walking to the bench, certain replays, etc.) I didn't think we would still have these issues this far into this gen..

Was hoping for a performance mode by now. I would gladly sacrifice resolution for better framerates

[vetmin]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

All for them giving up on native 4k. Most of their user base doesnt care about 4k and couldn’t tell the difference between 4k and 1080p/1440p

It's indeed a very weird hill for them to let the graphics of this series die on. From everything I've seen and heard, 2K24 is a clear step backwards graphically from 2K23, and some users here have suggested that maybe they took a step backward visually for the sake of better performance (since apparently there were notable performance issues in 2K23?). If they could address the performance issues in part or in full by instead dropping native 4K, I don't see why that wouldn't be preferrable, since the bland look of 2K24 (compared to 2K23) is far more visually consequential than adjusting the resolution. I almost wonder if someone important is irrationally hung up on "4K" as a buzzword and that the series is chained to it until that person finds a new thing to get irrationally fixated upon.

[strosdood]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

They need to give us a Performance Mode like Madden has. I've been saying this for years. Idk why they haven't added this yet. All sports games should have it. I would gladly take a hit in resolution for a smooth 60fps or unlocked framerate in all areas, not just gameplay. The framerate is a lot smoother this year for the after basket cut scenes, but still very choppy at times in other areas (player introductions, players walking to the bench, certain replays, etc.) I didn't think we would still have these issues this far into this gen..

Couldn’t you just change your resolution settings on your console to 1080 or 1440 to boost the FPS?

[jd@os]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

It's indeed a very weird hill for them to let the graphics of this series die on. From everything I've seen and heard, 2K24 is a clear step backwards graphically from 2K23, and some users here have suggested that maybe they took a step backward visually for the sake of better performance (since apparently there were notable performance issues in 2K23?). If they could address the performance issues in part or in full by instead dropping native 4K, I don't see why that wouldn't be preferrable, since the bland look of 2K24 (compared to 2K23) is far more visually consequential than adjusting the resolution. I almost wonder if someone important is irrationally hung up on "4K" as a buzzword and that the series is chained to it until that person finds a new thing to get irrationally fixated upon.

I've read different opinions on what's in bold, but at least playing as classic teams and in MyEras Quick Play, it does seem to me that 2K23 looks better graphically. I'm still trying to convince myself otherwise to justify the $99 I spent on 2K24, but it does seem like a step backwards from last year in my eyes.

[baconbits11]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

Why? Simple as this: developers still releasing titles on PS4 and Xbox One. Every one holds back progress.

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[vetmin]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

I've read different opinions on what's in bold, but at least playing as classic teams and in MyEras Quick Play, it does seem to me that 2K23 looks better graphically. I'm still trying to convince myself otherwise to justify the $99 I spent on 2K24, but it does seem like a step backwards from last year in my eyes.

Really? There's someone for every opinion I suppose, but personally I don't think I've seen a single person say that 2K24 looks better in terms of overall in-game graphics. There's been a ton of love for photo mode, ProPLAY animations, and particular character models that have been updated, but whenever I've seen deliberate side-by-side graphics comparisons (i.e., the general ambience during normal gameplay) of 2K23 and 2K24 (on YouTube, Reddit, here, etc.) it's always been to clown 2K24, as opposed to claiming improvement in the other direction.

[jd@os]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

Really? There's someone for every opinion I suppose, but personally I don't think I've seen a single person say that 2K24 looks better in terms of overall in-game graphics. There's been a ton of love for photo mode, ProPLAY animations, and particular character models that have been updated, but whenever I've seen deliberate side-by-side graphics comparisons (i.e., the general ambience during normal gameplay) of 2K23 and 2K24 (on YouTube, Reddit, here, etc.) it's always been to clown 2K24, as opposed to claiming improvement in the other direction.

Yeah, I've seen it on YouTube videos and read it on OS in a few posts. It was to the point where after giving up on 2K24, I would pop it back in (multiple times) to see if it was just me, but I could never change my mind and settled on 2K23.

The only time I've ever went back to a previous installment of a video game was Madden '94 to '93. And you're right--photo mode, ProPlay...that's all good, but to me, 2K23 just looks better graphically. And that pregame scene in the locker room looks like something out of an animated Barbie movie my daughter had--waaaay to bright and out of place.

[dvir10]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

As a videographer I can definitely say that the graphics overall are worse than last year.
The game feels flat, like the art team forgot to do color grading because there is no colouring on the player models, no contrast or lighting on the players even in cutscenes.
The difference between the real player’s graphics in the game to the screenshots 2k showed us is tremendous.
Just look at this screenshot they gave us, it’s not even little bit close to how really the game looks. Just look at the skin tone, look how shiny his forehead and his chest are from the lightning

Also the players introduction in the Mamba Moments looks like ps2 graphics.

[simbayless]

Re: Why 2k Graphics max out so early this new Gen?

Since 2k released on New Gen we haven't had a huge thread about being wowed about the new graphics like we did on PS4/Xbox One that should tell you something
Last time we was actually wowed when the trailer showed Anthony Davis was in a pelican's Jersey

I don't want to hear there's no more wow factor because we reached a point where graphics from old Gen to new Gen are very minimal differences
Horizon zero dawn and spider Man would like to have a word with you!

I'm not calling out the Art Directors but I think it's time for 2k to add more art or get rid of some.