NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

[J_Posse]

I was thinking recently about the fact that certain players style of play or "moves" aren't represented enough in 2K. Well, with the advent of new hardware I'm hoping to create an annual thread that can assist the developers. We can either have everything in the first post or people can just do their own thing. I'll start with the Spurs.

San Antonio Spurs

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Tony Parker - He really needs the return of his own lay-up and floater package(s). Don't know why they were removed.

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Tiago Splitter - This guy has one of the most unorthodox hook shots you'll ever see. Looks like he's shooting off of his hip almost. He also uses a semi-floater with the same terrible mechanics.

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Manu Ginobili - Needs his lay-up package to return.

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People can add whomever they feel needs to be better represented. I'll edit my post and add more later.

Edit: Could a mod edit the thread title for me to the reflect the next title NBA 2K15. Forgot to add the five and it says 2K1. LOL

[VDusen04]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I over-use this move in real life so I've been hoping for its inclusion for some time. I think Goran Dragic is the perfect excuse to add it in. He had a big year and he's done this move with regularity throughout his career. Others perform it as well, but he seems to have a particularly high tendency to do so.

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I'd also like to see the return of the MJ pumpfake. I haven't played 2K14 but it seems they dumbed down Jordan's signature repertoire in 2K13.

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As a whole, I think motion capturing a number of classic players' signature moments, dunks, and layups would be a great idea. For instance:

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[Optik]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

Not a signature but big men should have a power dribble when they're in the paint looking to score. It looks silly when you attack in the post from triple threat as if you were trying to beat a defender on the perimeter.

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[RogerBlack]

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If the 2K Devs refuse to consistently 'penalize' players from spamming the [steal] button during the whole game...

Then they need to provide the offense with the ability to [swat] their hands away, or trap a defender's arms to beat them off the dribble, like Michael Jordan used to do.

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If the DEFENSE is spamming [steal], while the offense is spamming [swat]... the defensive player should get fatigued very quickly, or get fouls called more often against them.

But it should work BOTH ways.

If the OFFENSE is spamming [swat] to cheese the defense, while the defense is playing them 'straight up'.... that offensive player should get fatigued very quickly, or get fouls called more often against them.

And when I say 'get fatigued very quickly'... I mean... like 2 or 3 trips down the court and they are LITERALLY 'gasping for oxygen'... and their movement is first reduced by 25%, then 50%, then 75%, or so.

Until they are unable to outrun ANYBODY on a fast break.

That way, the effects are HIGHLY noticeable in a short game with 6 minute quarters.

That way... if someone chooses Lebron, or Westbrook and constantly start spamming [steal] button (EVEN if they do it while the ball is always in the air).... they should get EXTREMELY sluggish, beat badly, and more prone to 'fouling'.... within just a few mere trips down the court.

Stop reaching.

Or give us the PROPER tools to MAKE them stop.

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

Not a signature but big men should have a power dribble when they're in the paint looking to score. It looks silly when you attack in the post from triple threat as if you were trying to beat a defender on the perimeter.

Great post but let's have reference videos to help the developers out. And big's definitely need a power dribble inside the paint.

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[Optik]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

Just watching the Clippers Thunder game atm, 2K really needs to do justice to Westbrook. We need more power layups. Too many of the layups that are currently in the game are what you would do in a layup line. He needs his own signature running style as well. When he drives, he's really throwing the ball in front of him and charging at the basket like a bull at a matador.

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[Phreezy P]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

LOL I couldn't help but giggle when I saw the title. But anyways...

I agree with Optik ^. There needs to be more "weaving" layups to avoid getting blocked, similar to healthy D-Rose and Westbrook, and even Kyrie or Rondo. I shouldn't have to spam the shot adjust stick just to get those animations. In fact, people with acrobat should be able to automatically adjust their layups.

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Take a look at 8, 5, 3 and 1. In the game right now, the most adjustment I see on layups automatically are the basic leg movements when crashing into someone. They need to make the players automatically windmill layup to avoid getting blocked in traffic. This could also fix the problem of excessive block counts. 2K10 and 2K11 had these animations, IDK where they went.

It'd also be nice to have some better 2 person contact reverse layups.

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They also need to make the 360 layup a lot less situational. It is so rare in this game it isn't even funny. It's as if you need the stars to align in order to do this move. They need to add more 360 layup animations for different situations and make it happen more like how the Crawford layup happens. And AFAIK there is no reverse 360 Layup.

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It'd also be a good step to add Alley Oop Finish packages. This should include All-layup alley finishes and all dunk alley finishes since bigs should never lay up a lob. Deandre Jordan completes alley oop dunks different from any player in the NBA. What he does should be completely different from a Blake Griffin or a Dwight Howard.

[CookNBA03]

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Everything about Miami would be nice. Defensive/Offensive schemes, all the little details about every player in general.

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[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I agree with the poster above who said Westbrook needs those power lay ups.

Also, players need 2 sig jumpers. One from inside he arc, the other from outside.

Players have very different shooting form on 3s compared to mid range 2s

[jayman504]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I would love to see all these lay-up and contact shots in the game but unfortunetly their working on Mo-cap dancing for the Park for 2k15 sorry lol

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I really agree with the "weaving" lay ups suggestion.

It should be a chess match at the rim...with punishment for the offensive player selecting the wrong lay up and the same for the defenders decision...

It'd also take away the randomness of foul calls...

[alabamarob]

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Just watching the Clippers Thunder game atm, 2K really needs to do justice to Westbrook. We need more power layups. Too many of the layups that are currently in the game are what you would do in a layup line. He needs his own signature running style as well. When he drives, he's really throwing the ball in front of him and charging at the basket like a bull at a matador.

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I agree that certain players should have animations just for them, and not other players.

I also think that they should limit the animations for players who are not finishers or who only finish in limited ways.

However, we need to make sure that these animations and their success rates are tied into the real life percentages via Sports VU. Sometimes ESPN and highlights will make you think a player is better at doing something than he really is. If you looked at the success rate of Westbrook or a player like Lillard on drives you would be surprised. Certain players don't finish on drives as well as you might think. Look at the percentages.

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[Jrocc23]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I don't understand why they remove signature moves out of previous 2K's anyways. I feel they should just keep building.

They've took out a lot of shot animations, Layups like Steve Nashes and etc. They should just keep adding to the library.

[VDusen04]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

I don't understand why they remove signature moves out of previous 2K's anyways. I feel they should just keep building.

They've took out a lot of shot animations, Layups like Steve Nashes and etc. They should just keep adding to the library.

I thought maybe they interact poorly with new elements being introduced. For instance, when the iso-motion was revamped (I think in 2K12 or 2K13), many signature dribbling packages were removed to allow for the seamless introduction and response of the new right-stick dribbling.

As a result, after years of building up great custom ball handling animations, suddenly everyone was dribbling alike again. I still have nightmares of accidentally triggering that behind-the-back, spin-move combo all the time by pressing back on the right stick. I'm betting that could have been the case with some of the other removals as well.

[Optik]

Re: NBA 2K1: Animation and Sig Moves Request

Also, players need 2 sig jumpers. One from inside he arc, the other from outside.

Players have very different shooting form on 3s compared to mid range 2s

They used to have something like that on 2K12, at least the stars had it. I remember Kobe having a spot up 3 shot form that he shoots when someone passes to him, and it's a lot more upright than the one when he's shooting off the dribble or shooting out of triple threat. I also remember that Ray Allen had a leaning 3 shot form, when he would stop at the 3 point line above the break off transition or a fastbreak (like when he broke the 3pt record playing for Celtics vs Lakers), and his momentum meant that his upper body would lean forward slightly. It's little individual bits like this that make the game magical, but 2K have gradually stripped them out of the game, taking away the magic. I also remember that CP3 in 2K11 had a different release for his midrange shot and his 3pt shot.

As a result, after years of building up great custom ball handling animations, suddenly everyone was dribbling alike again. I still have nightmares of accidentally triggering that behind-the-back, spin-move combo all the time by pressing back on the right stick. I'm betting that could have been the case with some of the other removals as well.

I have no idea why that animation was ever put into the game. When have you EVER seen someone do that in an NBA game? Makes no sense. Also, WTF is with that Steve Nash floater that everyone seems to do which takes about 3 seconds to get off and inevitably gets blocked? Some of the moves in the game, just don't work. I also want them to improve the crossovers, they need to be sharper and allow one to set up a pick and roll smoothly