Czar's Freelance Offenses

[antdoggydogg]

So I'm starting to wonder if the CPU actually uses their freelance sets or if specific teams even use their freelance offenses such as the Knicks/Warriors with the triangle, Spurs with the swing and Heat with the Pace and Space. The CPU team seems to just call set plays every time down, but that might be an issue with specific coaches "Tendency to Call plays" slider. I kind of wish there was a freelance offense option under each coaches profile so that we can set the freelance offense for each team.

It's a shame cause Czar did an amazing job on these offenses yet I don't notice the CPU team running these sets, I notice it when I run it and the movement is beautiful, I definitely haven't seen the CPU run it and I've played against the Spurs and Rockets many, many times. Czar if this is simply a matter of turning down each coaches tendency to call plays then that would be good to know. Any background info on how this stuff works would be much appreciated.

[vannwolfhawk]

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So I'm starting to wonder if the CPU actually uses their freelance sets or if specific teams even use their freelance offenses such as the Knicks/Warriors with the triangle, Spurs with the swing and Heat with the Pace and Space. The CPU team seems to just call set plays every time down, but that might be an issue with specific coaches "Tendency to Call plays" slider. I kind of wish there was a freelance offense option under each coaches profile so that we can set the freelance offense for each team.

It's a shame cause Czar did an amazing job on these offenses yet I don't notice the CPU team running these sets, I notice it when I run it and the movement is beautiful, I definitely haven't seen the CPU run it and I've played against the Spurs and Rockets many, many times. Czar if this is simply a matter of turning down each coaches tendency to call plays then that would be good to know. Any background info on how this stuff works would be much appreciated.

That would be my suggestion as far as tuning down call play sliders to see freelance more often. The spurs have run plays at 95 so you won't see it much unless a play breaks down. I haven't tested that but I'd assume that is your solution.

[Hyperballer21]

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The higher "Run Plays" slider is, the more likely the will try to complete the play entirely. What I've done as a quick fix is divide every coaches "run play" slider by 2 so it won't be over 50. Teams will still run their sets. But if a play breaks down or there is a double, the CPU will react more appropriately.

[swac07]

Re: Czar's Freelance Offenses

So I'm starting to wonder if the CPU actually uses their freelance sets or if specific teams even use their freelance offenses such as the Knicks/Warriors with the triangle, Spurs with the swing and Heat with the Pace and Space. The CPU team seems to just call set plays every time down, but that might be an issue with specific coaches "Tendency to Call plays" slider. I kind of wish there was a freelance offense option under each coaches profile so that we can set the freelance offense for each team.

It's a shame cause Czar did an amazing job on these offenses yet I don't notice the CPU team running these sets, I notice it when I run it and the movement is beautiful, I definitely haven't seen the CPU run it and I've played against the Spurs and Rockets many, many times. Czar if this is simply a matter of turning down each coaches tendency to call plays then that would be good to know. Any background info on how this stuff works would be much appreciated.

What I do is...during the game I switch to the opposing team...when they are on offense I press left on the dpad to bring up the playcall menu...then press rb/r1....where it says motion cut I switch it to freelance..exit out the playcall menu.go back and switch to the team i picked....you will see a difference

[sirjam]

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I would like to know what's the difference in this new systems between motion cuts and freelance actions. I noticed the teams don't seem to run their true systems without cuts on

[franzis]

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I'm not sure about CPU but honestly I'm not seeing much variety in my teamates freelence movements when I'm on offense.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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The 4-1 is interesting. It doesnt really have any off-ball movement or screening. It consists of the big guy shifting across the key to get in the low block on the strong side. Definitely use with Gasol/Randolph/Jefferson.

But Id like more info on what how the freelance/motion cuts/create space options work with the various sets.

[BegBy]

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These sets are practically non existent. They work well in scrimmage because there is no shot clock. Getting them to happen or waiting for them to happen in game is not a legitimate choice though.

[Da_Czar]

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These sets are practically non existent. They work well in scrimmage because there is no shot clock. Getting them to happen or waiting for them to happen in game is not a legitimate choice though.

I disagree. The pace and space and triangle specifically can be ran well within the shot clock or at least I run them during that time. Also as I showed in my video's the smart play in combination with the freelance's give you the most bang for your buck.

If I kicked all actions immediately then the user would be forced into actions they may not want. That delay allows for the freelance flexibility. If you play with play art on then switch to freelance if you want the AI to just run certain stuff for you.

The freelances are a tool but this is not college you can't just run through stuff with no purpose because of the time limitations of the shot clock.

I said before we launched that the 4-1 was the weakest one because it did not get re-done this year. However most users only use it as a spacing tool to run manual pick and roll's out of it anyway.

[BBallcoach]

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I disagree. The pace and space and triangle specifically can be ran well within the shot clock or at least I run them during that time. Also as I showed in my video's the smart play in combination with the freelance's give you the most bang for your buck.

If I kicked all actions immediately then the user would be forced into actions they may not want. That delay allows for the freelance flexibility. If you play with play art on then switch to freelance if you want the AI to just run certain stuff for you.

The freelances are a tool but this is not college you can't just run through stuff with no purpose because of the time limitations of the shot clock.

I said before we launched that the 4-1 was the weakest one because it did not get re-done this year. However most users only use it as a spacing tool to run manual pick and roll's out of it anyway.

Anytime I see your posts, I read them in your voice. Sim Nation! BTW great work with the freelance offenses!

[Da_Czar]

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So I'm starting to wonder if the CPU actually uses their freelance sets or if specific teams even use their freelance offenses such as the Knicks/Warriors with the triangle, Spurs with the swing and Heat with the Pace and Space. The CPU team seems to just call set plays every time down, but that might be an issue with specific coaches "Tendency to Call plays" slider. I kind of wish there was a freelance offense option under each coaches profile so that we can set the freelance offense for each team.

It's a shame cause Czar did an amazing job on these offenses yet I don't notice the CPU team running these sets, I notice it when I run it and the movement is beautiful, I definitely haven't seen the CPU run it and I've played against the Spurs and Rockets many, many times. Czar if this is simply a matter of turning down each coaches tendency to call plays then that would be good to know. Any background info on how this stuff works would be much appreciated.

For teams like spurs and Knicks the AI's plays are mapped 1 to 1 with their freelance options so that a user can't always tell when they are in it and when they are not.

In the right instance the AI's play could break and they could choose to go right into freelance from the current ball position. The AI this year is a stronger opponent out of it's playbook vs the freelance so it is preferred as a backup.

The AI is always trying to score not just run fluff so that could be why you don't "see" them running their freelance. It is a creative tool for the user that allows the AI to be better during broken plays then it was in the past. It is not even a full year implementation as you know I wasn't on all year.

I think there is a reason no game has attempted it thus far because it is simply not a simple thing to create or implement for the user and especially the AI.

[Da_Czar]

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I would like to know what's the difference in this new systems between motion cuts and freelance actions. I noticed the teams don't seem to run their true systems without cuts on

In general ( I haven't watched these since I released them) I bet these are close to current implementation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ3oxpztDZI&list=PLszU1vaI6Qhw9fJZIS3pWRBAA92mIMIAj&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q13IJhAzyA&list=PLszU1vaI6Qhw9fJZIS3pWRBAA92mIMIAj&index=2

[Smirkin Dirk]

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In general ( I haven't watched these since I released them) I bet these are close to current implementation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ3oxpztDZI&list=PLszU1vaI6Qhw9fJZIS3pWRBAA92mIMIAj&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q13...mIMIAj&index=2

Thankz Czar, these help.

Spacing modifier- PLayers will not crowd any one area with ball screens or off ball action.

Motion modifier- Players will provide off and on ball screens.

Freelance modifier- Those vids did not go into how this modifier works. Can you explain?

[BegBy]

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I disagree. The pace and space and triangle specifically can be ran well within the shot clock or at least I run them during that time. Also as I showed in my video's the smart play in combination with the freelance's give you the most bang for your buck.

If I kicked all actions immediately then the user would be forced into actions they may not want. That delay allows for the freelance flexibility. If you play with play art on then switch to freelance if you want the AI to just run certain stuff for you.

The freelances are a tool but this is not college you can't just run through stuff with no purpose because of the time limitations of the shot clock.

I said before we launched that the 4-1 was the weakest one because it did not get re-done this year. However most users only use it as a spacing tool to run manual pick and roll's out of it anyway.

I should have prefaced my statement by saying I wasn't coming down on you or your efforts. I think when they work, it's incredible. Especially given the time frame you had to implement this new aspect.

I just don't see the cpu run it very often at all.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Yep considering the time frame it's a great effort.

Ideally next year, 2KU can have a training feature where we can run through various options, similar to how Madden walks you through the various pass concepts.