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  • Sublime8992
    Rookie
    • Oct 2006
    • 309

    #1

    A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

    I just jumped into partially simmed game in my Magic MyLeague, 4 or 5 years in. We were down 98-92 against the Knicks with a minute and a half left in the game. I close the gap but I can feel the AI scripting the game for the Knicks to win. All of their threes are money, pure splashes with no rim contact. To tie the game at 101 I get a fast break and finish the lay up with one of my guards with 0.9 left.

    This is when the first blatant scripted moment happened. The AI uses their last timeout to get the ball to half court. I have tight defense on everyone but the computer gets the ball into Harden near half court and he goes into the last second short clock animation and swishes it, OF COURSE. But okay, it's James Harden, it was still on their side of half court, fine.

    We're in OT and it's continuing, my defense is useless. All their threes (with like 70 rated shooters) are pure makes. I'm getting ridiculous turnover animations but the game is still close.

    Here is where the undeniable proof of scripting took place. I'm down three and some BS turnover happened so I got mad and switched to the Knicks to give myself (the Magic) the ball back. Usually to do this I just inbound the ball with the team I want to lose possession, and shoot a full court shot that should be a brick. I have seen maybe two full court shots go in during my entire tenure playing 2K15.

    But at that moment, at that pause screen I could feel the game rigging itself for the Knicks so I literally said to myself, "I'm gonna shoot this full court shot and it's gonna go in." I inbound it to Isaiah Thomas and shoot it from the opposing free throw line and he sinks it, pure splash, no rim, just like all the other threes. Knicks go up 6.

    I'm playing on Superstar, Sim, with other adjusted sliders. All jump shooting sliders lowered to 40 for both User and CPU, all jump shot defense raised to 75 for User and CPU.

    I would like someone to explain this chain of events in terms other than coincidence. It felt like the CPUs shooting sliders had been overridden to 100. Very stupid, frustrating, and fake feeling gameplay that's going to make me put the controller down for a couple of hours.

  • quitdabull
    Rookie
    • Apr 2015
    • 157

    #2
    Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

    Its a definite superteam boost going on in all game modes

    Did you save the thomas full courter

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    • Sublime8992
      Rookie
      • Oct 2006
      • 309

      #3
      Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

      Originally posted by quitdabull
      Its a definite superteam boost going on in all game modes

      Did you save the thomas full courter
      lol no I just quit that game I should have saved it.

      such a stupid and dumb overpowered game mechanic

      I really enjoy the undefendable CPU backdoor cuts when I played solid defense for 20 seconds though!!!

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      • Shady Mike
        Banned
        • Nov 2014
        • 1218

        #4
        Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

        Sigh....really? There are like 4 of these threads running right now, can we please get an Official "I believe there is a comeback A.I." thread going please? It's so tiresome.

        Originally posted by Da_Czar
        Step your game up!

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        • Sublime8992
          Rookie
          • Oct 2006
          • 309

          #5
          Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

          Originally posted by Shady Mike
          Sigh....really? There are like 4 of these threads running right now, can we please get an Official "I believe there is a comeback A.I." thread going please? It's so tiresome.
          No actual rebuttal to me being able to call the make of a full court shot in overtime because the scripting was so obvious? Just an unnecessary czar quote? There wouldn't be so many topics on the subject if the issue was properly addressed

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          • BluFu
            MVP
            • May 2012
            • 3596

            #6
            Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

            Lower the offensive consistency slider to 40 or less. Also, a video should be mandatory for these types of threads. Otherwise, they're just stories.

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            • Sublime8992
              Rookie
              • Oct 2006
              • 309

              #7
              Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

              Originally posted by BluFu
              Lower the offensive consistency slider to 40 or less. Also, a video should be mandatory for these types of threads. Otherwise, they're just stories.

              No one has an incentive to come to 2K's operation sports forum to make up stories about comeback logic

              I will lower the consistency sliders asap

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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #8
                A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                Your story isn't any different from any one other story on the matter...you're better off saving yourself some typing and recording it taking place ....the capability is built into the machine your playing on...documenting it is the only real way to get 2k to look deeper into it....
                Last edited by The 24th Letter; 04-04-2015, 02:53 PM.

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                • BluFu
                  MVP
                  • May 2012
                  • 3596

                  #9
                  Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                  Originally posted by Sublime8992
                  No one has an incentive to come to 2K's operation sports forum to make up stories about comeback logic

                  I will lower the consistency sliders asap
                  Not saying you're lying, but it allows people to know exactly why you got the results you got. If you weren't making good decisions with the ball or you were contesting shots late, then there's a good reason you lost besides 'the game wanted me to lose.'

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                  • Sublime8992
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 309

                    #10
                    Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                    Originally posted by BluFu
                    Not saying you're lying, but it allows people to know exactly why you got the results you got. If you weren't making good decisions with the ball or you were contesting shots late, then there's a good reason you lost besides 'the game wanted me to lose.'
                    Again, you're missing the point. I believe my story is thread worthy because I'm talking about a SPECIFIC shot-- not complaining about the game beating me. I clearly encountered a game mechanic that was making the CPU three point success rate go through the roof, resulting in me being able to predict a full court shot going in. That is the issue that is up for conversation.

                    I expect the game to punish me if I play poorly. I do not expect the game to make full court shots go in at a wildly inflated rate for the CPU.

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                    • kehlis
                      Moderator
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 27738

                      #11
                      Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                      Originally posted by Sublime8992
                      I just jumped into partially simmed game in my Magic MyLeague, 4 or 5 years in. We were down 98-92 against the Knicks with a minute and a half left in the game. I close the gap but I can feel the AI scripting the game for the Knicks to win. All of their threes are money, pure splashes with no rim contact. To tie the game at 101 I get a fast break and finish the lay up with one of my guards with 0.9 left.

                      This is when the first blatant scripted moment happened. The AI uses their last timeout to get the ball to half court. I have tight defense on everyone but the computer gets the ball into Harden near half court and he goes into the last second short clock animation and swishes it, OF COURSE. But okay, it's James Harden, it was still on their side of half court, fine.

                      We're in OT and it's continuing, my defense is useless. All their threes (with like 70 rated shooters) are pure makes. I'm getting ridiculous turnover animations but the game is still close.
                      Forgive me if I'm missing something but if you tied it up at 101 and then they made a three as time expired they would have won correct?

                      Where's all this OT stuff coming from? I don't think you thought this story all the way through.
                      Last edited by kehlis; 04-04-2015, 04:06 PM.

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                      • Shady Mike
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2014
                        • 1218

                        #12
                        Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                        Originally posted by Sublime8992
                        I just jumped into partially simmed game in my Magic MyLeague, 4 or 5 years in. We were down 98-92 against the Knicks with a minute and a half left in the game. I close the gap but I can feel the AI scripting the game for the Knicks to win. All of their threes are money, pure splashes with no rim contact. To tie the game at 101 I get a fast break and finish the lay up with one of my guards with 0.9 left.

                        This is when the first blatant scripted moment happened. The AI uses their last timeout to get the ball to half court. I have tight defense on everyone but the computer gets the ball into Harden near half court and he goes into the last second short clock animation and swishes it, OF COURSE. But okay, it's James Harden, it was still on their side of half court, fine.

                        We're in OT and it's continuing, my defense is useless. All their threes (with like 70 rated shooters) are pure makes. I'm getting ridiculous turnover animations but the game is still close.

                        Here is where the undeniable proof of scripting took place. I'm down three and some BS turnover happened so I got mad and switched to the Knicks to give myself (the Magic) the ball back. Usually to do this I just inbound the ball with the team I want to lose possession, and shoot a full court shot that should be a brick. I have seen maybe two full court shots go in during my entire tenure playing 2K15.

                        But at that moment, at that pause screen I could feel the game rigging itself for the Knicks so I literally said to myself, "I'm gonna shoot this full court shot and it's gonna go in." I inbound it to Isaiah Thomas and shoot it from the opposing free throw line and he sinks it, pure splash, no rim, just like all the other threes. Knicks go up 6.

                        I'm playing on Superstar, Sim, with other adjusted sliders. All jump shooting sliders lowered to 40 for both User and CPU, all jump shot defense raised to 75 for User and CPU.

                        I would like someone to explain this chain of events in terms other than coincidence. It felt like the CPUs shooting sliders had been overridden to 100. Very stupid, frustrating, and fake feeling gameplay that's going to make me put the controller down for a couple of hours.
                        Originally posted by kehlis
                        Forgive me if I'm missing something but if you tied it up at 101 and then they made a three as time expired they would have won correct?

                        Where's all this OT stuff coming from? I don't think you thought this story all the way through.
                        First of all I LOVE how you whine about comeback A.I. yet don't complain that you apparently scored 12 unanswered points in 1:30...because in order for Harden to hit a "game tying halfcourt shot" it would have had to have been 104-101, and not tied at 101.

                        This story is full of holes and you give me reason to believe that you are just lying...

                        2/10 - IGN

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                        • kehlis
                          Moderator
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 27738

                          #13
                          Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                          Originally posted by Shady Mike
                          First of all I LOVE how you whine about comeback A.I. yet don't complain that you apparently scored 12 unanswered points in 1:30...because in order for Harden to hit a "game tying halfcourt shot" it would have had to have been 104-101, and not tied at 101.

                          This story is full of holes and you give me reason to believe that you are just lying...

                          2/10 - IGN
                          He's just trolling and completely made up the story.

                          He said they were "swishing all their threes" but being that they already had 98 it only would take ONE three to get to 101.

                          He came here with a story he though was gold but didn't think it through very well.

                          Won't be back to this thread anytime soon.
                          Last edited by kehlis; 04-04-2015, 05:50 PM.

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                          • Gosens6
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 6102

                            #14
                            Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                            I see some BS from the AI from time to time, but this story just makes no sense to me and doesn't scream AI scripting. If you really did switch to the Knicks and shoot a full court shot that was swished, you could have just switched to them, and taken a 5 second inbound call to give yourself the ball back.

                            In any case, this just seems like a situation where you jumped in a game, wanted to make a big comeback and win, and when that didn't happen, you got bitter about it. IDK.

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                            • JA Money14
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 0

                              #15
                              Re: A quick story for those who don't believe in scripting...

                              Threads like this are a part of the reason 2K just either doesn't come here or doesn't actually listen to any of the complaints/threads that are real.

                              You too k this to the extreme and it wasn't thought out very well, as others have already pointed out. We have all seen the CPU make a crazy shot or have some run WE deem as incredible, yet most are quick to forget the incredible makes or runs we seem to have ourselves.

                              A story for me that comes to mind from 2K14.. I made 5 3-pointers in a row with a 77 3pt rated (created draft class) Jabari Parker, which were all great shots and was one of the most exciting moments in 2K for me in recent memory.. But I have to say if that happened for some of these extremist complainers, they would say "he was on fire! I was shooting great!" yet if the CPU has a similar moment, they deem it "CPU Cheats! Scripted! Game suxxx!"

                              Love that Czar quote.

                              P.s. On an unrelated note, switching teams to get the ball back is BEYOND lame. You might as well put all your sliders at 100.

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