Post Patch On-Ball Defense

[sirjam]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

IDK, on ball D is pretty fun for me online- it's a challenge- though like I said in the other thread- it could use some tightening to make up for lag... https://vid.me/L4nM EZ are you using LT, RS at all? Can't tell in the vid

I wanna ask u the samething. Are u using rstick to cutoff or was you using Lt?

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by sirjam

I wanna ask u the samething. Are u using rstick to cutoff or was you using Lt?

A combination.....guarding with LT + RT- when I see what angle they're taking I throw the stick to that side to cut them off.....deep in the paint I throw the stick straight up to contest

[ViolenceFight]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

A combination.....guarding with LT + RT- when I see what angle they're taking I throw the stick to that side to cut them off.....deep in the paint I throw the stick straight up to contest

This. I used to think all that right stick stuff was silly. Started using it little by little this year. Don't understand how I played without it.

In park, it's L2 anytime I think I'll make contact, let go of it to move. R2 if I need to catch up. Predict the direction, cut it off with LS and L2, throw the RS that way to trigger a bump, use the separation off the bump to cut off the next angle the same way. Frustrates people when they get locked down trying to zig zag, especially if they don't even get to take 2 steps in the other direction.

You guess wrong sometimes, but error is human

[TheDuggler]

Quote: Originally Posted by ESRyder312

I took a week off to see if anything would change, but nothing changed. At this point, I seem to play more to see how bad the non-contact animations can get. So, here's more proof that 2K needs to tweak something.

How are you doing this? I can't replicate that kind of sliding no matter what I do. Are you pressing LT at all?

What platform are you on?

Also playing right up on your man at all time isn't good defense

[The 24th Letter]

Quote: Originally Posted by ViolenceFight

This. I used to think all that right stick stuff was silly. Started using it little by little this year. Don't understand how I played without it. In park, it's L2 anytime I think I'll make contact, let go of it to move. R2 if I need to catch up. Predict the direction, cut it off with LS and L2, throw the RS that way to trigger a bump, use the separation off the bump to cut off the next angle the same way. Frustrates people when they get locked down trying to zig zag, especially if they don't even get to take 2 steps in the other direction. You guess wrong sometimes, but error is human

This. Good post.

[hanzsomehanz]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheDuggler

How are you doing this? I can't replicate that kind of sliding no matter what I do. Are you pressing LT at all? What platform are you on? Also playing right up on your man at all time isn't good defense

It's not good defense: he's expecting some kind of stickiness to trigger and lock his dude magnetically onto the offensive player - playing that tight should be criminal harassment lol

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[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

A combination.....guarding with LT + RT- when I see what angle they're taking I throw the stick to that side to cut them off.....deep in the paint I throw the stick straight up to contest

You get a lot of fouls called on you when you hold the stick straight up(pause)?

I get that quite a few times although it could be because I'm holding it at slight angle.

[ESRyder312]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheDuggler

How are you doing this? I can't replicate that kind of sliding no matter what I do. Are you pressing LT at all? What platform are you on? Also playing right up on your man at all time isn't good defense

What do you mean, "How are you doing this?" I'm on PS4. I use L2 heavily. I also use R2 and RS as some of the above posts have mentioned.

Also, this is online. NOT AGAINST A CPU. This does not happen often, if ever, against CPU.

Quote: Originally Posted by hanzsomehanz

It's not good defense: he's expecting some kind of stickiness to trigger and lock his dude magnetically onto the offensive player - playing that tight should be criminal harassment lol Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk

Frankly, I do not care if either of you think it is good defense or not. If I beat someone to a spot, there should be contact. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. That is elementary physics. Two objects cannot occupy the same spot at the same time. If two objects try to occupy the same spot at the same time, there is conflict--in terms people, there is contact. Maybe even bumping.

I know some of you fools here are going to say something like, "No, man, that's a foul," "There is not that much bumping in the NBA," or "That's not real defense." If you were one of those, watch these videos, and tell me if you change your mind.

For the lazy, watch the following marks on the Dellavedova video: :50, 1:25, 3:52, 4:31, 4:40.





Now, I understand this probably will not change your stubborn minds, but you cannot argue that there is not that much physicality in the NBA.

If someone gets beat to a spot, there is going to be contact. There also is going to be bumping.

I feel like some of you that complain about the excessive contact have never played actual, organized basketball. So, I would not expect you to understand the level of physicality in an actual game.

I also feel the majority of people complaining are probably the same people who play pickup ball and yell, "Foul" every time an aggressive defender is playing you. In actuality, you probably are wrong most of the time. But I digress.

AGAIN, my gripes are about online play. With this new patch, playing on-ball defense online against people who try to turbo to the basket all game, as I showed on the videos I have posted throughout this thread, has become annoying because of the lack of contact.

If a defender plays up on someone, and he predicts the offensive player's movements, the defender should be able to cut off the offensive player's movement. It should not matter if he is a sub par defender. It is simple f***ing physics.

There are other factors into being a defender, such as speed and wingspan. Obviously, Russell Westbrook should be able to get around Kyle Korver with ease. But if Korver beats Westbrook to a spot, Korver should not be sliding out of Westbrook's way. There should be contact, regardless of how terrible a defender you think Korver is. There should also probably be bumping because you have to players colliding. What is so difficult about this concept?

This patch essentially has taken away the reward of playing on-ball defense. Players who legitimately know how to defend and cut players off are not rewarded as they were pre-patch. It is quite simple.