"You have reached MAX CAP LEVEL for ONLINE PLAY. ALL further ATTs OFFLINE ONLY."

[downsouth]

The best thing would be to separate mycareer and online park and proam. Tired of blindlessly trudging through mycareer just enough to make online player and then starting over to make next character and watchn the same dumb storyline crap every time.

[Yesh2kdone]

Quote: Originally Posted by DC

Man, honestly, I don't see this ever happening. The only prestigious role in sports is being a star. We can thank the media for that. So it the little fat boy from Oklahoma plays 2K, and he only sees star basketball players praised, there is no way for him to take being a role player as a rewarding feeling. The only people that I can see taking those non-star player roles are coaches or dudes that have a sense of reality. But those are probably a super small percentage.

I completely agree. Everyone's heard the famous Jordan story where he wanted to make it a a 6/3/3 guy, because y'know, realism. I grew up wanting to score the winning goal for Liverpool in a cup final. Not because of the media but because of my imagination, hopes, and dreams. If I want to be able to create a kd career, then after paying £85 for an edition without any resale because there are no Kobe gold legend disk editions in Europe, then I think I should have that ability, not to compete online with, but as mycareer. I don't even get the opportunity to play rttf as a European so I'm being hit with the double whammy.

I really don't like the over moralising over what people want to do in their careers.

[Breakstarter]

Books, I know this your thread and you have respect in the community and a majority of the people are gong oto flock to every word you say but I totally disagree with your concept.
People are competitive by nature, therefore in any instance where you can have any advantage going against someone, people will naturally gravitate towards doing whatever it takes to win. You made the case that this game needs to be balanced online, but it's OK to make a realistic player offline. WHERE do they do that at? How is OK to play all star team up online with high rated players, but because there's money involved with pro am, or people refuse to learn the ins and outs of the game, yall feel it's OK to nerf online myplayers?
Why do yall care who has a 99 online if yall don't play online? If you play online you know for certain that this game is all about who's got stick skills. Just because you're a 99 overall or you can do it all with your myplayers doesn't mean you're unbeatable. At a certain point in the year, when everyone is done grinding in their careers, they max out their myplayers. It's a natural thing. The way 2k17 is set up, at best you're a specialist. I mean, don't get me wrong, the NBA is full of specialists, but the great players that define the leagues history have been players who could do it all. That's what people pay to see.

Take for instance the direction the league is heading in now. The current make up of what people want to see and what's most exciting are point guards, shooting guards and small forwards. As much as we all love big men, their much slower and less attractive on the court.

This is the 2016 NBA Allstars selection. This is what people voted to see represent the best that the NBA had to offer. There no big men in any of the starting line ups. You know why, because the best players and the most exciting players to watch are guards and forwards.
The Era of the do it all small ball players are here...as evidence check the Warriors, Knicks and cavaliers as proof.





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Books, you say you want competitive balance onine with myplayers. Every one grinds out on their myplayers to be great at the game and then you gather up with your friends online to see who's really the best team out there. If everyone is a 99 overall, and can "do it all" what really separates everyone online is stick skills. Where is the imbalance if I'm 99 overall guard and you're a 99 overall guard? Wouldn't our match up boil down to I.Q. and stick skills?
Capping people for online play sounds like a cop out for people who just aren't good at the game and become sore losers when they match up against people online who don't adhere to whatever unwritten moral code that only that person abides by. There is NO FAIRNESS online.
It's a fight to the death for 20 minutes. Its kill or be killed. If you think for one second people will care how you win, or if you played them fair then you're sadly mistaken.

People tend to forget that as much as we all love 2k and if you're like me, have been playing this franchise since dreamcast, that this a video game. Video games can't cater to the same audience every year. If 2k pandered to its initial core audience that supported them when they first started, this game would be totally different and might not even have some of the modes that it has now. The thing is 2k caters to the casual gamer as well and kids too. The kids have to be able to pick up the game just as easily as the hard-core fans of the series. The difference between the two is that if you're a hard core fan of the series, all it takes is a few days with the game and you should be able to take on the average gamer in no time because of your I.Q. for that reason alone 2k will not be lowering attributes online although I see how you would feel if a casual gamer could just beat you doing repetitive moves over and over again.

I'm from the school of thought that if you give me a maxed out player and you have your maxed out player but I have four other people with high I.Q. playing alongside with me, I'm gonna come out on top 8/10 times because I know how good I am at finding my teammates and understand spacing and also only run with people who have the same mindset to lock up on defense so as to always put ourselves in the best position to win.

So 99 overalls are where it's at and hope it stays there and as far as this specialist theme for 2k17 goes, people are gonna go to the best possible playstyles and all the other playstyles will be a waste because no one will pick them.
Who in the world is gonna make a team full of glass cleaners or defensive specialists if they can't shoot? Myplayers have to be able to be great at one thing. For competitive balance you mean to tell human are so good that 2k doesn't trust them enough to max out their playersite to be as good as the NBA players in real life? How the hell is that being Sim?

Your response awaits books.

[GSW]

What if you remove caps and just say people who purchase VC cannot use their MyPlayer online?

That way if you are a 99, you got there by playing. Which, in theory should take a very long time.

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by Breakstarter

Books, I know this your thread and you have respect in the community and a majority of the people are gong oto flock to every word you say but I totally disagree with your concept. People are competitive by nature, therefore in any instance where you can have any advantage going against someone, people will naturally gravitate towards doing whatever it takes to win.

I actually really like your post, even though I think it's totally wrong. Some bulletpoints

--Anyone who watches SimHangout with Czar and myself knows that I'm a competitive player who has entered fighting game tourneys and is reasonably deep in the SFV community(as far as full time comic artists goes). I am ALL about putting the competitive community in the best position possible to flourish.

--It was not MY decision to cap the players. I'm supporting the decision 2k has already made this year. If you look at the current builds of players, you get a 90+ in one or two skills, an 80+ in 2 more, then 70-80 the rest of the way. I didn't do this, but I totally agree with it.

--Styles make fights. In most successful competitive games dating back to chess, the pieces(or characters) have different abilities that change how those characters dominate SPACE. Rook goes side to side, Zangief pushes you to the corner, Genji double jumps and climbs walls. DIVERSITY forces players to make choices about how they control space and as a result, different strategies come to mind.

--In any game where there are a few broken characters and a whole bunch of useless ones that aren't as good, the player base and viewerbase SHRINKS.

--Just because your player isn't GREAT at everything doesn't mean they can't do those things at all. Your Scoring Machines can still block shots and hit threes, they just can't sit at the top of the key all game and burn you ALL GAME. Now you have to make the choice--is my team going to be based on creating open shots for catch and shoot opportunities or are they going to be based on creating space for individual isolations? Either way, you'll have to do BOTH, depending on the defense.

--in NBA 2k, as a video game, an overabundance of high ratings breaks the game. This is historically true. Here's how it hurts competitive play and why you don't need it: Bobby Buckets is a Scoring SG. His team is great. His 3pt is decent. Because his PF is a low post threat, he is ALWAYS OPEN. Since his rating is a 75, he shoots about 45%-55% against bad defense. A sharpshooter result. Against GOOD defense, his percentages drop because his opportunities drop, and he's forced to use his isolation skills to PUNISH AGGRESSIVE CLOSE OUTS. Once he beats them off the dribble a few times, they don't close out as hard, leaving him a little space, hoping he hesitates and thinks about the jumper. If our boy Bobby Buckets was a 99 OVR, he'd punish EVERY DEFENSIVE DECISION BECAUSE DEFENSE CAN'T BE PERFECT IT HAS TO MAKE CHOICES.

In real life, great players aren't perfect, but in 2k, great players are very close to perfect. If you want to properly reward high ratings, you have to be much more conservative in giving them out. 90+ offensive ratings work against good and even sometimes great defense. 75-80 rating are reliable against bad defense, but inconsistent against good defense. This is a good thing. Get good shots and you WILL get SUPERSTARS in competition. It will be the result of good strategy, not making everyone into Vergil/Morridoom, or Yun or week 1 McCree.

[StayPlation82]

i look at it like this. the problem isn't how good i can be it's what's my weakness. people don't want one. every Star, superstar and HOF has a weakness. those weaknesses are why they have teammates. it's cool to want to be a once in a generation player but then everyone is that. Now 1 in a Million is a Million in a Million and no one has a weakness. a team of 5 LeBrons vs a team of 5 LeBrons. it's not even the all star team selection someone posted earlier.

[LO6IX]

Great point about team up Breaks tarter. I saw a post here that said we shouldn't be able to make T-Mac and bring him online. He's an 89 overall, nobody is breaking the game with T-Mac in Team-Up. What broke online play in years past was the hacked players from 2K11, and 2K15's lack of defense, patch 4, 7'2 Centers with guard speed, quick releases, handles, and rebounding, and of course the demi gods .
I don't see the problem with anyone wanting to have the exact same attributes as Paul George, or Melo. It literally was not a problem in 2k11-2K15

[Td1984]

Okay, I suddenly feel a need to clarify where I'm coming from. Personally, I don't care what those of you who play MyPark or Pro-Am do with your players as I don't play those modes. Want to be a 99 overall? Fine. It doesn't effect me one way or the other.

What I AM saying, though, is that if 2k is going to insist on using caps, they should not come into play when you're playing NBA career games.