AI cheese

[stevencad123]

The AI in 2k is way to cheesy

Their movement speed is twice as sharp and quicker than player movement, even with slow players. For example in myteam Westbrook was full sprint and Jason Williams was staying with him jogging

On defense they steal way to many passes that as a player you can't even get close to stealing them always just end up attempting it and running 5 metres

They body you up way to much with there onball defense and as soon as you get close to getting around them they bump you back but for me as much as I try to lock them down eventually in the shot clock they get around you

They hit contested close shots like crazy but the percentage on players hitting them are low

2k has just made the game go down hill with tuning updates, making the AI cheesy just makes it not fun when you have to put up with the cheese when players can't do it.

So much for smarter AI

[Hellquist]

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But but but it's the smartest AI ever! OMFGLOLZ!

Terms I use for this game:

Slip n Slide - You slip 5 feet away from the defender when they zig zag to death. Slide like you're on skates trying to guard this cheese.

Body Bumpin' - The bumper cars on fastbreaks, bump into someone it's a turnove.

Chuck n Cheese - All the AI does is chuck up shots and most of them go in!

Bumble n Stumble - All the silly stumbling animations that mess up the flow of the game. Whoever came up with this idea should be ashamed of themselves.

Screen N Zag - All the AI does is call a million screens. Add the zig zag cheese and you got some of the worst cheese ever.

The gameplay is all cheese. Nothing intelligent about it. It's not real basketball. The most cheesiest 2K game ever made. In past editions you could figure out the AI and know their tendencies but each time you play this game they play even worse. The speed the AI plays is insane.

The double screen cheese, the zig zagging, the lowering the shoulder superhuman speed boost, the lose ball magically returns to the AI, etc etc isn't anything close to the user being penalized for nothing. The user cannot turbo. The user can't defend. Too many handicaps are placed on us. It's been 7 patches (a complete waste of time on both ends) and 3 months since the game has been out and these issues are still here. You steal the ball and you breakaway until you get bumped in the back and you either lose the ball or the defense is already set, so your steal was pointless. Bumper car collisions need to go. When a user "runs" a break all of a sudden the AI catches you but most of the time everyone is too close together, so you bump into someone and you lose the ball or you get called for a charge.

I am so sick of this. Last night was it for me. If I have speed with ball (Dennis Schroder) at 90 and some guy who has like 75 speed catches me then what can you do?

All the AI does is push the pace and spam the paint. I was told to change the game speed from 50 to 70 because this effects how players move but guess what? The AI already plays too damn fast as is, so all you're doing is boosting the AI already superhuman abilities. It's no use to increase game speed. All I ask for and others have asked for is for users to have the same speeds as the AI. I'm LeBron James and I feel like holding turbo does nothing. I rarely do a fastbreak solo dunk with this guy. I really believe this will never get fixed. I'm trying to like this game. It's frustrating. All the flaws irritate me but the user speed one irritates me the most.

[FromDownTown]

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Yes AI very cheese, thats why 2K always support the cheesy player.

AI cheese, calling screen zig zag and shoot. And AI speed boosting. Lolololol

[NattyPButter]

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I stuck since I don't play nothing else but NBA 2K. This is by far the worst in the series with all the problems and the patches not even fixing them. Will actually give Live a chance when it's released, because I need my basketball fix.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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They have HOF bruiser with 100 strength. They have HOF interceptor (that's not even a badge this year )

[stevencad123]

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The patches have fixed very little, if not made certain things worse. They are to worried about selling VC and making money rather than fixing stuff.

[TkJay]

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I needed to pick a thread to vent in and this is the one, I actually signed up to say this. (This all for the PC version)


The offline player is being neglected here, and the problems that 2k always had feel like they've been magnified this year.

Controls are slow and the players unresponsive in comparison to the CPU counter parts. The CPU even knows this and takes advantage of you. Whereas, at least on the PC version, the CPU mirrors your inputs, that how they stay in front of you.

Inbound plays and plays in generally are WAY to slow to setup, even if your running a freelance offense (I run Flow btw). Inbounding and trying to select a player has had a freaking delay in it since 2k15 and its never been fixed, it cost me 3 games this year at the end of the game.

When the CPU wants to score, they simply walk down the court use animation to push my center under hoop, pass ball in score.

On double screens CPU refuses to switch. I have to manually guard them, and if I do then the CPU will magically find the center under the hoop. I have to pick each time down, guard the double screen cause the switch rules wont work, or have the throw it to the center in the low post.

This ones also great, remember Kobe Bryant Basketball from N64? I do, if you went to steal the ball right as a player in the post caught it they would drop the ball, same in 2k to a small but noticeable extent. Its a bug that can be abused as the player theres just one catch when you do abuse it. The CPU will get the loose ball nearly everytime.

The speed boost, I love when the CPU Pre rotates on a screen so the main defender is standing at the other side of the screen giving you a clear lane to the hoop. When you take the clear lane the defender will and they do 9 outta 10 times will catch up and block you from driving.

Here's the real funny thing this year its been so bad I went to see vids on other peoples gameplay. Its like im playing a completely different game. Or there not playing on all-star or above. You guys actually don't get the CPU standing on your shoelaces when you cross half-court. All my post sound like im furious and not really, In one of Sam Phan videos he said it best, im not losing these games, but the CPU having these lapses on D, and the cheese is what makes me mad, I still end up winning by 20 but its so frustrating.

If you wanna know what Im talking about with either double screen or post play against the Atlanta Hawks. This is all for the PC version if someone else feels my pain here.

[Sublime8992]

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I needed to pick a thread to vent in and this is the one, I actually signed up to say this. (This all for the PC version)


The offline player is being neglected here, and the problems that 2k always had feel like they've been magnified this year.

Controls are slow and the players unresponsive in comparison to the CPU counter parts. The CPU even knows this and takes advantage of you. Whereas, at least on the PC version, the CPU mirrors your inputs, that how they stay in front of you.

Inbound plays and plays in generally are WAY to slow to setup, even if your running a freelance offense (I run Flow btw). Inbounding and trying to select a player has had a freaking delay in it since 2k15 and its never been fixed, it cost me 3 games this year at the end of the game.

When the CPU wants to score, they simply walk down the court use animation to push my center under hoop, pass ball in score.

On double screens CPU refuses to switch. I have to manually guard them, and if I do then the CPU will magically find the center under the hoop. I have to pick each time down, guard the double screen cause the switch rules wont work, or have the throw it to the center in the low post.

This ones also great, remember Kobe Bryant Basketball from N64? I do, if you went to steal the ball right as a player in the post caught it they would drop the ball, same in 2k to a small but noticeable extent. Its a bug that can be abused as the player theres just one catch when you do abuse it. The CPU will get the loose ball nearly everytime.

The speed boost, I love when the CPU Pre rotates on a screen so the main defender is standing at the other side of the screen giving you a clear lane to the hoop. When you take the clear lane the defender will and they do 9 outta 10 times will catch up and block you from driving.

Here's the real funny thing this year its been so bad I went to see vids on other peoples gameplay. Its like im playing a completely different game. Or there not playing on all-star or above. You guys actually don't get the CPU standing on your shoelaces when you cross half-court. All my post sound like im furious and not really, In one of Sam Phan videos he said it best, im not losing these games, but the CPU having these lapses on D, and the cheese is what makes me mad, I still end up winning by 20 but its so frustrating.

If you wanna know what Im talking about with either double screen or post play against the Atlanta Hawks. This is all for the PC version if someone else feels my pain here.

Spot on. Everything you've said is 100% correct and I'm seeing it on the PS4.

I spend 99% of my time in MyLeague. I've never played a 2K game where I quit immediately after tip off so frequently because the first play off the tip will be the CPU cheesing me. If they win tip they immediately throw some laser to to their PF or C who's rim running and my big men are nowhere to be seen.

The patches have definitely not addressed any of the major gameplay issues and have made many of them worse.

The most annoying thing for me, that makes the game actually feel rigged, is the full court laser passes for layups that the CPU completes right after I score. I watch the replay and the reason it happens is because my PF and C are CELEBRATING after scoring while their matchup does a full court, uncontested rim run. This has been going on since launch. WHY WOULDN'T 2K JUST REMOVE THE CELEBRATION ANIMATION?!

Trash product this year.

[TkJay]

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I almost forgot about that one to it does happen pretty often imo, players not getting back and the CPU throw it deep.


However, here is one that happens a few times a game taken out of the video game trope "your rules arent my rules".

When the CPU is running low on the shot clock they'll call for a pick wait for it to come, then wait for the animation to start then fire up a shot that is "uncontested" if you the player do the same thing wait for the CPU to get caught in the animation it will be considered "contested" even if you move slightly away and the CPU dont contest.

Regardless what they say there has to be something programed into the CPU to do these things, because every team will do them. They may run different offenses but they WILL do them.

Also posting again so people can see since bug forum was long.

PC MYGM players dont earn badges at progression, nor do CPU players progress.

[Sublime8992]

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both of these garbage plays are from within 5 minutes of each other!

[Sublime8992]

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The CPU just clipped a 3/4 court halftime buzzer beater through my defender's hand No momentum system?

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[Yesh2kdone]

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The CPU just clipped a 3/4 court halftime buzzer beater through my defender's hand No momentum system?

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Don't really count that as a momentum issue, which I feel has been positively toned down this year, that's their legacy shot clock cheese issue rearing it's head, which will never be removed because it's how the cpu remains semi-competitive at times.

[killxmike]

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Trust me offline guys, the game sucks for the online guys too. They just had a double rep weekend in which you could barely get any games played in Pro Am Walk on.

[Hellquist]

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Playing as the Jazz against the Nets now. Every guard is pushing the pace aka turboing down the court on every possession. You can't get called for charge because the animation happens and you get nothing or they just blow by you when you press O. If you successfully try to draw a charge it's called as a blocking foul!

Yeah...

Pushing the pace, running a millions screens and spamming the paint = smartest AI ever

This game is a joke. About to be the 4th month and I am still frustrated. When is this going to stop?

Oh yeah, when you try to defend the opposing player and you do the stance you automatically swipe the ball without pressing anything, so that's another stupid handicap on the user. Another B.S. foul.

Going to the paint = automatic foul. Phantom fouls actually. Of course you can get bodyslammed to death and you get no call but you don't even touch the player and it's a whistle and usually an And-1.

Another thing I noticed the other day when I played with the Cavs vs the Hornets was I was getting blocked like I was playing Madden. I am getting pushed 5 feet or being held like I am getting bearhugged. Thanks for making the screens even worse and more OP! This is what I asked for!

Seriously, Bellinelli was blocking me on a screen like an offensive linemen would protect the running back. You have no idea how pissed I was.

Playing NBA Today now like I said with the Jazz. The Nets are playing fast as hell. Every guard is turboing each possession. I am getting drifted 5 feet away from my defender with the screens and sucked into them. I am just sick of it. One of the worst teams in the league huh? The ratings don't matter. The stats don't matter. Trevor Booker has an open 3 at 68 and a D grade but he's 3-3 from the 3pt line. Okay? Laser sharp passes and the shot clock lightning passing is on every pass. Bad teams don't play like bad teams. Every team plays the exact same way. No identity. This is not the smartest AI ever. It's a damn joke. It's cheese. The user gets handicapped in every way.


Mode: Play Now (NBA Today - All Star difficulty). Superstar is even worse. All Star has always been the most balanced but I am really going to take a break from this game. My current rotation: Rise of the Tomb Raider, Let It Die, UFC 2 and WWE 2K17. There's no reason for me to even play this game like before. I am just tired. I am also thinking about not doing MyLeague for the first time ever. That's how fed up I am right now. I can't take it anymore. Winning means nothing. You can't ignore all the flaws with this game. Winning is not fun. Nothing is fun. I'm not buying 2K18. I am saying a lot of things I would never say in the past. I hope NBA Live 17 comes out in February. I haven't been this hyped for another basketball game in my life!

Enough is enough!

P.S. These AI speed boosts need to GO. I am really getting sick of the discrepancy. How are you and your teammates so slow but the AI isn't? Does that make any sense? Sliders or game speed change nothing. I use sliders of my own but the same stuff happens. It's the game coding. It's just how it is. You can't stop this superhuman AI play with sliders.

P.P.S. The Nets play the fastest in the NBA so blah blah blah. No, all teams on 2K play like this! Depends on the day I play but the game speed the AI plays is like 2000. Seems to be worse when you are the road team. One day you don't lose your voice and you enjoy the game but most days it's like today.

[Hellquist]

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Now I'm the Rockets vs Wizards. Wizards are doing the exact same crap the Nets were doing. All guards pushing the pace. Lightning fast passes. Superhuman AI boost, zig zagging, screens too damn powerful,bumping the user like it's the NFL, dragged 50 feet, skating on ice etc. You can't defend this crap. I really don't know how I win these games. You're basically beating the AI's cheese.