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  • splashmountain
    Pro
    • Aug 2016
    • 809

    #1

    (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

    (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly


    Notice I did not say move to fast. They are not fast which is realisic. They do not run fast like in a straight line up the court in a foot race. that is again realistic and 2k devs did a great job on that.

    BUT, they move laterally to quickly on defense. They move to quickly on offense in small spaces to quickly to be that tall and that heavy.

    What this will do is cause EVERYONE that wants to be a center or a PF to go get a giant and make him as heavy as possible because you wont lose much quickness.

    Bigmen, that are 280lbs to 300 should not be quick at all. unless we're saying that everyone can be shaq. again if thats the case, then everyone will make the exact same build for their big.

    320lbs+ guys should be slow as hell no matter if we're talking running or on defense or laterally or moving in small spaces.

    ex.: if I have a 6'10 240lb athletic finisher(whatever its called in 2k18) and post scorer combo archetype...boosted to 86 all bars are maxed as they can be at the moment. if someone passes me the ball along the baseline on the left block as I'm cutting to the rim. the defender giant big thats 7'3 330lbs and sitting on the outside of the right side of the paint...should never be able to turn completely around move over and get to my layup or dunk on the opposite side of the paint. If he can do that at that height and weight consistently. Then that means there is no use for any big under 7'0 feet and under 280lbs. why get a smaller shorter dude if you can't out quick people in space? yes I can out run another giant. but that will only help off the dribble if he comes way out and i blow by him. that wont help when i'm sneaking back door and he's not paying attention yet he turns and is all over me in milliseconds.

    I've seen these giant 7'0+ 300+ lb bigs with different archetypes. mostly athletic finisher+ shooters, rebounders+rebounders, anything and shot creators(which is silly as a big what center is a shot creating center so to speak? some will say Towns. but not really. yes he has handles for a center, but he's not all the time making kobe like moves to create space and pulling up. a center should never have the word shot creator around his name. Now a PF..thats different. there are a couple. durant is one of them since they wont allow you to make a 7foot SF. but lets be clear durant is not the rule he's the anomaly.

    We also have the other obviously known issues like athletic finishers with 90+ layup ratings blowing layups when not being guarded for no reason at all. but you can dunk on 2 people when your dunk rating is less than a 90. makes no sense. The game is rather good. I have no issues with these same giant bigs running down court and pushing me underneath the basket then turning and dunking on me. thats realistic. if you allow a big boy to get you that deep its supposed to be over. you're not supposed to be able to recover from that. you're under the rim, there is no blocking the shot.
  • NBA2K2
    Rookie
    • Apr 2017
    • 82

    #2
    Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

    yeah....i faced a 7'2 slashing post scorer or something like that...he was gliding around...there really was no reason to make my guy 7"1 285.....the taller/heavier guys are just as fast and way more dominant in the paint

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    • de5m0n
      Banned
      • Oct 2015
      • 996

      #3
      Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

      bro my speed is like 47 as a 7'3 300 pound pure athlete.

      What is your speed with your skinny self?

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      • shayellis
        Rookie
        • Jul 2010
        • 371

        #4
        Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

        OP is right in regards, Speed/quickness and Size should be involved in more than just running/sprinting and walking. It should involve how fast you can turn around, how fast you can jump etc.

        I think a large part of the problem is the lack of footplanting on defense. Go to the instant replay sometime and you see how players slide around the court on defense.
        PSN: UVE_HAD_ENOUGH

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        • NBA2K2
          Rookie
          • Apr 2017
          • 82

          #5
          Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

          Originally posted by shayellis
          OP is right in regards, Speed/quickness and Size should be involved in more than just running/sprinting and walking. It should involve how fast you can turn around, how fast you can jump etc.

          I think a large part of the problem is the lack of footplanting on defense. Go to the instant replay sometime and you see how players slide around the court on defense.

          this...these 7"2-7"3 300lb+ guys cover WAY too much ground...i made a 7"1 guy thinking they'd balance that out more and give me a slight speed advantage...but, it's the EXACT same game in the pro-am as last year in regards to balance and tendencies....literally plays exactly the same so far...tons of 3's and guys bigger/heavier than freakin Shaq dominating in the paint......

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          • shawnydee
            Pro
            • Nov 2012
            • 839

            #6
            Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

            Originally posted by NBA2K2
            this...these 7"2-7"3 300lb+ guys cover WAY too much ground...i made a 7"1 guy thinking they'd balance that out more and give me a slight speed advantage...but, it's the EXACT same game in the pro-am as last year in regards to balance and tendencies....literally plays exactly the same so far...tons of 3's and guys bigger/heavier than freakin Shaq dominating in the paint......
            my 7'2 325 post/rebounder is killing the pro am right now, on defense and offense. i avg for now in 14 games almost 20 ppg almost 11 rpg 2 apg and almost 3 blks

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            • infam0us
              MVP
              • Jan 2009
              • 1607

              #7
              Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

              Yeah 2k needs to fix this already, there's no reason not to make a 7'3 center the way its currently set up.

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              • Goffs
                New Ork Giants
                • Feb 2003
                • 12279

                #8
                Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                I'm ok with this. I finally have a rim protector that can move.

                Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

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                • splashmountain
                  Pro
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 809

                  #9
                  Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                  Originally posted by de5m0n
                  bro my speed is like 47 as a 7'3 300 pound pure athlete.

                  What is your speed with your skinny self?
                  its not the speed on your ratings. its the animations. I dont think they did it on purpose to be honest. I think its just something that came out when they were changing things with the animations and what not. I'm saying your technical quickness is the problem. not your speed. the movement of these super big guys in the half court is crazy quick. their recovery time is amazing. but for reference. i'm a 86 overall, athletic finisher/post scoring center. 6'10, 240lbs.

                  all bars are maxed out(meaning whatever the max can be at 86 is where I am). i would assume my speed is in the high 60's or even maybe 70 on the dot. I can run past other bigs on the break or if they come way out to guard me at the 3 point line. if they do that. its curtains. my guys is to lean and too fast. but if i'm on one side of the paint and they are on the other side even between the opposite corner and the paint. like 10 feet away from me. if i catch a quick pass and try to go up quickly. half the time they are sliding back over and recovering all on top of my guy like they were always there. its crazy how fast they move. if they are going to move that quickly. there is no reason to make a big man less than 7'3, 300+ lbs. everyone will make clones. which is boring to me.

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                  • splashmountain
                    Pro
                    • Aug 2016
                    • 809

                    #10
                    Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                    Originally posted by Goffs
                    I'm ok with this. I finally have a rim protector that can move.

                    Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
                    you're not supposed to be able to move that quickly with a guy that big. its not realistic at all.

                    you want a better rim protector. thats ok. make a thinner shorter guy with hops. thats realistic.

                    you want a bruiser guy that will just throw his weight around when he gets the ball punk guys for boards. get that big boy like some of you have. and do work. but you can't have a rim protecting 7'3 340 monster. moving like hakeem. thats not real at all. thats cartoonish.

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                    • splashmountain
                      Pro
                      • Aug 2016
                      • 809

                      #11
                      Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                      and just like i called it. everybody and their great aunt has a giant now. 7'3 340 or so. doesnt matter the archetype. big boys moving around like guards when in the half court. terrible.

                      So now. i have to debate even messing with my current guy or just leaving him alone and going super big like everyone else and making yet another big clone...BORING.

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                      • shayellis
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 371

                        #12
                        Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                        Originally posted by splashmountain
                        and just like i called it. everybody and their great aunt has a giant now. 7'3 340 or so. doesnt matter the archetype. big boys moving around like guards when in the half court. terrible.

                        So now. i have to debate even messing with my current guy or just leaving him alone and going super big like everyone else and making yet another big clone...BORING.
                        Yup I might put this game down soon. I definitely don't see myself playing this the full year at this rate. Such a shame, hundreds of Archetype combos but one type of useful player frame for bigs.
                        PSN: UVE_HAD_ENOUGH

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                        • splashmountain
                          Pro
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 809

                          #13
                          Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                          Originally posted by shayellis
                          Yup I might put this game down soon. I definitely don't see myself playing this the full year at this rate. Such a shame, hundreds of Archetype combos but one type of useful player frame for bigs.
                          Just to make sure my theory was correct I just made my own 7'0 315 big. This dude is moving around like a small forward. come on 2kayyyyyy ya killin me. The lateral quickness is crazy. I know he's an athletic finish/defender(rim protector) and i know defenders have better lateral movement. but no big man at 315 pounds at 7 feet or more should be moving that fast laterally.

                          I know 2k wanted to make sure using bigs were fun this year. But that aint the way to do it. keep it realistic.

                          The fun was lost with most bigs due to them blowing layups under the basket when they should not have in 2k17. just due to some defender just standing close not even challenging the layup. if you take that out the game. then people would love bigs again.

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #14
                            Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                            Would you mind making a video of this in action? Just curious to see...

                            Sent from my SM-G955U using Operation Sports mobile app

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                            • mhayden614
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 64

                              #15
                              Re: (Pro Am/Park Players) 7'0 to 7'3 280lbs+ Big Men Move to Quickly

                              Seeing a lot of these 7'3 guys that just take up the entire paint and even when you play good defense there's not much you can do because they just dunk over you if you're smaller.

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