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Old 03-22-2018, 08:16 PM   #9
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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

I only use fades when the defender gives a little space, but they go in pretty consistently
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:05 PM   #10
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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

let's be clear. the (majority of) complaints about hooks and fades pertained to the offline sim side. furthermore, it wasn't that they couldn't be used effectively, it was that they couldn't be used in the signature style that mj & kobe, or jabbar & yao used them. these were 'automatic' shots for these players if they got to their spot with single coverage. without their signature post threat, doubling or pressuring them isn't the same, so it takes away from both sides of the ball.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:36 PM   #11
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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

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let's be clear. the (majority of) complaints about hooks and fades pertained to the offline sim side. furthermore, it wasn't that they couldn't be used effectively, it was that they couldn't be used in the signature style that mj & kobe, or jabbar & yao used them. these were 'automatic' shots for these players if they got to their spot with single coverage. without their signature post threat, doubling or pressuring them isn't the same, so it takes away from both sides of the ball.
Let's not say "automatic", instead put a number on it. If I was able to hit this shot about 60% with good timing, single coverage, lightly contested, at about 15-17 feet with Dirk I'd be happy. But it's about 35/40% which is absurd.
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Old 03-23-2018, 12:18 AM   #12
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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

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Dunkers are definitely not 100%+ in park and pro-am

Not to mention the fact that well, thatís not even possible..
I don't know what you're on about, but it's definitely possible and it's literally been the meta for this game's entire life cycle. Standing contact dunks and 3 pointers with sharpshooters. There's no point of taking any other shot because it's not efficient compared to the alternative.
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Old 03-23-2018, 04:18 AM   #13
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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

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pretty sure the complaints were about the sim side of the game, not my park.
I don't play offline so i wouldnt know.
But the title was more of a jab than actual statement
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Not most people are complaining about the post in mypark, in fact i would think that almost no one is complaining about what you can do in mypark since you can basically do anything offensively there. Its the actual nba side of the game that has some problems.
See above. I have no idea of the offline scene. Title was merely a jab at the complainers here, meant to draw attention
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Nice work.

I notice you don't lose the ball a lot...even though you use the fake a lot in your arsenal...regardless of if you were surrounded or guys were jumping like crazy or not....

I know I personally don't have many issues with this from a PNO perspective, but there are countless threads on losing the ball in the post....even from a Park POV....what would you say you're doing different?

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There's only a few instances when you lose the ball while posting:
1) there's a double/triple team on you where defenders are not on your backside, but on your side/front. This is the result from the defence either actively double teaming you, or happenstance because your teammate is crossing Too close to you, giving the defenders a chance to swipe at you.
In the first case, pass out of open shot.
The second is harder to anticipate. If i can, i try to position myself so the running defender is at my closed side. If i cant, try to keep moving. I feel it's harder to swipe the ball while i'm moving.

The 2nd way i get stripped is during a post drop/spin animation. Usually that ends in a foul called, bit for some reason you still get the lose ball penalty, before getting the draw foul bonus.

All in all i barely get stripped.
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In a game where 3 pointers are 80%+ and dunks are 100%+, yes fades and hooks are bad.
My fades are +80% Too, and my hooks +60. Most hooks i miss is becuz i just love to do them from the perimeter, which is a bit far out to justify a higher percentage.
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Iíve actually hit some nice post hooks today in pro am. Donít use them often though. But i finally got the timing down .
Release timing and game timing are key.
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I only use fades when the defender gives a little space, but they go in pretty consistently
Exactly. Give me an inch and i'll Fade in you. Guard me close and i'll spin/drop. Double team me and i pass out.

Hard to guard

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Re: What do you mean, fades and hooks are bad?

so threads that take shots at other people for kicks that at the same time include highlight videos posted outside of their dedicated sticky are left open, huh.
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I don't play offline so i wouldnt know.
But the title was more of a jab than actual statement See above. I have no idea of the offline scene. Title was merely a jab at the complainers here, meant to draw attention
So who is the jab referring to then, if its not about the actual thing that people were complaining about.
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Old 03-24-2018, 03:55 AM   #16
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So who is the jab referring to then, if its not about the actual thing that people were complaining about.
The People who take this way too seriously

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