On the fly defensive settings

[jk31]

Is there any description about what each specific "focus on" defensive setting does?


Especially


Boxes and Elbows
Boxes and Elbows Jazz
Boxes Post
Trap the Box
Jordan Rules


Are what interests me. The rest seems relatively clear. And regards Jordan Rules, I know that these seems to be the defensive scheme from the 90s against Jordan, but what exactly happens then?

[jeebs9]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Is there any description about what each specific "focus on" defensive setting does?


Especially


Boxes and Elbows
Boxes and Elbows Jazz
Boxes Post
Trap the Box
Jordan Rules


Are what interests me. The rest seems relatively clear. And regards Jordan Rules, I know that these seems to be the defensive scheme from the 90s against Jordan, but what exactly happens then?

Just a few links to help you out

DC did a deep dive a few years ago

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2048495301&postcount=163

Then Sam made some videos

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-basketball/892930-nba-2k17-defensive-settings-community-wiki.html

Jordan Rules are new I think. I'm sure it has to do with forcing him baseline, helping on drives and most likely physical play (aka foul the **** out of him).

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[jk31]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Thanks man!




For anyone interested, here is the answer by DC from the link:

• Push off line:
• Boxes & Elbows: Two guys on elbows, two on block. Man concept. Make offensive player see bodies. Used to stop stars. Would not use when there are a lot of shooters. Looks like a zone but a man concept with lots of distance from other players. You see a lot of one pass away help, giving up the shot elsewhere. If a guy isolates up top a lot then this is an option online. (From alabamarob: "Boxes and elbows doesn't have to be 2 guys on block and 2 on elbows. The defender will stand on edge of the paint parallel with the person he is guarding. Its not a box in one. The floor is not always perfectly balanced. Sometimes 1 side of the floor is overloaded or there are 4 on the baseline or 4 out high.")
• Nothing Inside: Moderate on and off ball, go over on ball and soft hedge on ball, seems to leave your on ball and hedge settings for center alone. MIght bring double in the paint but it doesn't show in setting. Could just be a dig, but when I assigned it to a player I already had dig in place so maybe it was wasn't that. Still, commentary called it a double, though double were all still showing manual (taken from my observations of settings after assigned to player).
  
• Force Drive: Smother on ball, tight off ball, over, soft hedge on the ball carrier. Make him choose to get away from outside pressure, try to take away the perimeter shot. Leaves the screen settings in place that you had in place before, if any (from my observations of defensive settings after this is assigned).
  
• Force Jumper:
• Play Physical: Smother, go under, force them to shoot.
• Make Him Score:
• Give it Up: Smothering the ball, trailing over top of ball screen, blitzing ball screens and double teaming the drive, but not double off the catch.
• Stay Home: Don't give help. While play tight still has some help principles, Stay doesn't.
• Make Him Work: Deny off ball, jump out hard on screen, go over top on ball screens, smothering on ball, deny off ball
• Straight Up: Moderate on and off ball.
• Shrink the Floor: Off ball gap, go under, hard hedge.
• No Threes:
• Switch Everything: (I assume this is switch all on ball and off ball screens, but OG didn't specifically say)
• Junk: Show 3-2 or 2-3 zone & go to man on the first pass.
• Focus on Stars: Pressure on them, doubles. (not sure exactly what he meant by "pressure" in terms of settings, could include a lot of things).

What about the rest?

Also please check to see if what I have here is right, or add more detail to whatever.

[kyle81]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

I’d like to know “boxes and elbows” Jazz as well


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[jeebs9]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

I’d like to know “boxes and elbows” Jazz as well


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I was asking a few years ago. Never really got an answer from anyone. But I'm sure it's the same concept.

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[taildog]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

I was asking a few years ago. Never really got an answer from anyone. But I'm sure it's the same concept.

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It’s that defense they and bucks played vs the rockets[emoji23]

https://youtu.be/7ougHDwFQJU

[jeebs9]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

It’s that defense they and bucks played vs the rockets[emoji23]


https://youtu.be/7ougHDwFQJU

Hahahahahha

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[coldkevin]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

I’d like to know “boxes and elbows” Jazz as well


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I'd like to know why 2k does not provide a guide on all its options, assuming that they are all expert basketball coaches

[jk31]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Because all the different developing divisions don't work together at all. at least that is my perception. You have guys like Da_Czar or OG who work on these schemes to produce a very deep basketball experience and on the other hand the guys working on the menus or other parts of the game that do not really get informed about what changed. But what one does doesn't really reach the other one.

That's why you cannot select most of those schemes in any main menu.

That's why you have leftover settings in the myleague menu, that are not really used anymore in the game (see that you can setup individual matchups in two different ways, that produce different results?).
That's why the ratings scale was changed/"inflated" while the team managament AI did not really start to value players differently.

[coldkevin]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Because all the different developing divisions don't work together at all. at least that is my perception. You have guys like Da_Czar or OG who work on these schemes to produce a very deep basketball experience and on the other hand the guys working on the menus or other parts of the game that do not really get informed about what changed. But what one does doesn't really reach the other one.

That's why you cannot select most of those schemes in any main menu.

That's why you have leftover settings in the myleague menu, that are not really used anymore in the game (see that you can setup individual matchups in two different ways, that produce different results?).
That's why the ratings scale was changed/"inflated" while the team managament AI did not really start to value players differently.

you answered to me I guess. well, that's why they should provide us with explanations on how things work, at least in general

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Some of these have been in the game for years and I still don’t know what they do. It’s crazy that there’s no in game explanation for these things. Even Madden’s tutorial mode explains all the various schemes and formations.

[loso_34]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

one thing i never understood is can you focus on two players?

say i want i set one player to “make him score” then trap the box on the 2nd..do both settings activate?

cause when i call a to i only see the settings on the 2nd player active everything else is on auto

[kyle81]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

one thing i never understood is can you focus on two players?



say i want i set one player to “make him score” then trap the box on the 2nd..do both settings activate?



cause when i call a to i only see the settings on the 2nd player active everything else is on auto

You can only focus one at a time, however you can manually trap the box in the setting menu if needed


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[jeebs9]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

Some of these have been in the game for years and I still don’t know what they do. It’s crazy that there’s no in game explanation for these things. Even Madden’s tutorial mode explains all the various schemes and formations.

It's 2k biggest down fall right now. It keeps getting worst and worst each year. It will be the end of them if they keep this up.

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[taildog]

Re: On the fly defensive settings

It's 2k biggest down fall right now. It keeps getting worst and worst each year. It will be the end of them if they keep this up.

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Unfortunately I disagree. 2K is here to stay. The only thing thing that may end is focus on simulation basketball. More money is made on myteam and myplayer. If gameplay devs like czar and og were to quit tomorrow the game would turn into NBA Jam. Kids rather play with Shaq with a 99 3pt rating. We already are stuck with this green release and takeover crap. I’m just thankful it’s not worse.