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Old 12-04-2020, 11:07 AM   #57
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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I understand it's hard to play a pick and roll 2 on 2, but since the help is spotty by default, a drop style would at least allow you to play it 2 on 2 and live with the mid range or running out to contest a pick and pop to the big.
I must admit - AI is most of the time ok with HelpD (though with a bunch of user interventions, naturally)

But its a total mayhem when attacking teams use double-screen PNR - omg, its obvious AI becomes just overwhelmed with all the formulas involved obviously not correctly prioritezed.

I have a feeling my PS might explode if I start another CPU vs CPU match with Utah Jazz involved
They use double screens a lot!
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:02 PM   #58
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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I must admit - AI is most of the time ok with HelpD (though with a bunch of user interventions, naturally)

But its a total mayhem when attacking teams use double-screen PNR - omg, its obvious AI becomes just overwhelmed with all the formulas involved obviously not correctly prioritezed.

I have a feeling my PS might explode if I start another CPU vs CPU match with Utah Jazz involved
They use double screens a lot!
Double high screens just ruin the AI, and that's been a thing for years. Doing like double screen flares, or just a lot of the plays in the Blazers playbook will mess up the AI.
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Old 12-04-2020, 10:56 PM   #59
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

Iíve tried so many slider combos, settings, etc. the weak side defense just fails to react in a reasonable amount of time and even when the center drops down, heís non existent when it comes to stopping an offensive player on the pick and roll. The CPU defense is absolutely atrocious, there is no resistance.

It almost feels worse when I put their defensive sliders up to 100. The only thing that has marginally helped is completely nerfing my offensive players speed and acceleration and then my guys feels like theyíre moving in mud.

The game is beautiful and Iím dying to dive deeper into myNBA but itís no fun when thereís no threat of me losing. Iíve never been good at house rules so ignoring the paint when itís wide the f open is something I canít tell myself to do.

Iíd love to see more drive and kick action but right now itís just drive and oh yíall are just gonna stay glued to your guy in the corner? Ok Iíll just take this layup then.

Begging for a fix.


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Old 12-05-2020, 04:04 AM   #60
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

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Iíve tried so many slider combos, settings, etc. the weak side defense just fails to react in a reasonable amount of time and even when the center drops down, heís non existent when it comes to stopping an offensive player on the pick and roll. The CPU defense is absolutely atrocious, there is no resistance.

It almost feels worse when I put their defensive sliders up to 100. The only thing that has marginally helped is completely nerfing my offensive players speed and acceleration and then my guys feels like theyíre moving in mud.

The game is beautiful and Iím dying to dive deeper into myNBA but itís no fun when thereís no threat of me losing. Iíve never been good at house rules so ignoring the paint when itís wide the f open is something I canít tell myself to do.

Iíd love to see more drive and kick action but right now itís just drive and oh yíall are just gonna stay glued to your guy in the corner? Ok Iíll just take this layup then.

Begging for a fix.


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Old 12-05-2020, 09:57 AM   #61
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Did u steal my journal lol

Mannnnn, I was fed up last night haha. Hopefully theyíre working on a fix for this, this game has so much promise.


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Old 12-05-2020, 10:04 AM   #62
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I’d love to see more drive and kick action but right now it’s just drive and oh y’all are just gonna stay glued to your guy in the corner? Ok I’ll just take this layup then.
I raised DISH tend by 20 to all players. That made things better with D&K, but:

- it comes down to only a handful of pretty similar actions
- you have to use "PREROTATE" option, which leads to great shooter being left totally open, which of course doesnt make any sense

The game needs a HUGE fix.

NbA 2k20 was broken any many parts, but this version is even worse.
I am really disappointed.
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Old 12-05-2020, 10:54 AM   #63
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Re: Evidence why next gen pick and roll and help defense needs lots of work still

The funny thing is there are some pick and rolls you can do and BOTH the ball handler and the roller can end up wide open. I do think we should have some random events but PNR is just bad and really needs a patch.
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Old 12-05-2020, 11:00 AM   #64
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Yes, a big one!

Also, PNR is most of the offensive plays, like 80%, at least in my sims.
This was not the case in 2k20, it was much more diverse.

I am really eager to see what is CelticLG going to pull out of this broken machine. If they make a playable product in the end, they should be rewarded with Nobel.
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