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[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by Guard-ian

Lavine a 88 while Mitchell and Booker (NBA player of the week) 87... are you kidding me?

I'm not sure why you seem to think 2K should disregard stats.

Zach LaVine (22.7 PER)
29-5-6 in 36 MPG (52-44-85 shooting)
65 TS% (17th) on 31 USG%
25 AST% on 1.34 ATR

Donovan Mitchell (18.9 PER)
24-4-5 in 34 MPG (43-39-83 shooting)
56 TS% on 31 USG%
25 AST% on 1.73 ATR

Devin Booker (17.2 PER)
24-4-4 in 35 MPG (49-35-83 shooting)
59 TS% on 31 USG%
21 AST% on 1.24 ATR

LaVine has had the best year of the three and there isn't much to debate there.

For context, 65 TS% has him literally sandwiched between Kevin Durant & James Harden among high-usage scorers. There are few guards in history who have ever shot the ball as well as LaVine is right now.

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Porzingis still a 86, ok... but without the deep range badge yet, when he always shoot the 3 from very long distance...

Porzingis is 2-5 from 30 feet this year (now 13-31 in his career).

While I would agree that he needs the badge, his actual frequency is far less than your post would indicate. "Always" =/= "Sometimes"

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The disrespect of this game to some players and the love for others is disgusting. Basketball is much more than stats and its about winning first and foremost... Come on now 2k, you can do it better...

It's also more than just about opinions.

[Real2KInsider]

Sorted by team:

SIXERS
Ben Simmons: 88 OVR (+1)
Seth Curry: 78 OVR (-2)
Danny Green: 75 OVR (-1)
Furkan Korkmaz: 73 OVR (-1)

BUCKS
Jrue Holiday: 86 OVR (+1)
Pat Connaughton: 76 OVR (-1)
Torrey Craig: 75 OVR (+1)
Bryn Forbes: 74 OVR (+1)
D.J. Augustin: 73 OVR (-1)

BULLS
Zach LaVine: 88 OVR (+1)
Thaddeus Young: 80 OVR (+1)
Coby White: 79 OVR (+1)
Denzel Valentine: 75 OVR (+1)
Tomas Satoransky: 75 OVR (+1)
Max Strus: 72 OVR (+3)

CAVALIERS
Collin Sexton: 83 OVR (-1)
Andre Drummond: 83 OVR (-1)
Dylan Windler: 74 OVR (+2)
Taurean Prince: 73 OVR (-2)
Isaac Okoro: 73 OVR (-1)
Damyean Dotson: 71 OVR (-1)

CELTICS
Jayson Tatum: 90 OVR (-1)
Kemba Walker: 84 OVR (-1)
Daniel Theis: 78 OVR (-1)
Tristan Thompson: 77 OVR (+1)
Semi Ojeleye: 73 OVR (+1)

CLIPPERS
Louis Williams: 81 OVR (+3)
Marcus Morris Sr: 79 OVR (+1)
Terance Mann: 72 OVR (+1)

GRIZZLIES
Ja Morant: 85 OVR (-1)
Jonas Valančiūnas: 82 OVR (+1)
Kyle Anderson: 80 OVR (+1)
Grayson Allen: 76 OVR (+2)
Desmond Bane: 75 OVR (+2)

HAWKS
Onyeka Okongwu: 75 OVR (-1)
Rajon Rondo: 75 OVR (-1)
Skylar Mays: 71 OVR (+3)

HEAT
Bam Adebayo: 88 OVR (-1)
Goran Dragić: 80 OVR (-1)
Duncan Robinson: 75 OVR (-2)
Andre Iguodala: 73 OVR (-1)

HORNETS
Gordon Hayward: 85 OVR (-1)
LaMelo Ball: 83 OVR (+2)
Terry Rozier III: 83 OVR (+2)
P.J. Washington: 78 OVR (-1)
Devonte Graham: 78 OVR (+1)
Malik Monk: 75 OVR (-1)

JAZZ
Jordan Clarkson: 82 OVR (+1)

KINGS
De’Aaron Fox: 86 OVR (+1)
Tyrese Haliburton: 82 OVR (+2)
Hassan Whiteside: 81 OVR (+1)
Harrison Barnes: 79 OVR (-2)
Buddy Hield: 77 OVR (-1)
Glenn Robinson III: 72 OVR (-1)

KNICKS
Julius Randle: 86 OVR (+1)
Immanuel Quickley: 79 OVR (+2)
Nerlens Noel: 77 OVR (+1)
Obi Toppin: 76 OVR (+1)
Austin Rivers: 75 OVR (-1)
Taj Gibson: 75 OVR (-1)

LAKERS
Kyle Kuzma: 77 OVR (+2)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope: 75 OVR (-2)
Alex Caruso: 75 OVR (-1)

MAGIC
Terrence Ross: 77 OVR (-1)
James Ennis: 76 OVR (+2)
Gary Clark: 71 OVR (-1)

MAVS
Josh Richardson: 78 OVR (-1)
Maxi Kleber: 75 OVR (-2)

NETS

NUGGETS
Jamal Murray: 85 OVR (-1)
Will Barton: 76 OVR (-1)
Zeke Nnaji: 72 OVR (+1)

PACERS
Domantas Sabonis: 87 OVR (+1)
Malcolm Brogdon: 85 OVR (-1)
Jeremy Lamb: 79 OVR (+1)
T.J. McConnell: 78 OVR (+2)
Justin Holiday: 75 OVR (+1)

PELICANS
Zion Williamson: 88 OVR (+1)
Steven Adams: 80 OVR (-1)
Lonzo Ball: 79 OVR (+2)
Eric Bledsoe: 78 OVR (-1)
Nickeil Alexander-Walker: 75 OVR (-1)
Kira Lewis Jr.: 74 OVR (+2)

PISTONS
Jerami Grant: 83 OVR (-1)
Mason Plumlee: 80 OVR (+1)
Saddiq Bey: 78 OVR (+4)
Blake Griffin: 78 OVR (-1)
Delon Wright: 77 OVR (+1)
Josh Jackson: 76 OVR (+1)
Isaiah Stewart: 76 OVR (+2)

RAPTORS
Norman Powell: 80 OVR (+1)
Terence Davis: 75 OVR (-2)
Aron Baynes: 74 OVR (-1)
Stanley Johnson: 73 OVR (-1)
Yuta Watanabe: 72 OVR (-2)

ROCKETS
John Wall: 83 OVR (-1)
Eric Gordon: 82 OVR (+1)
Victor Oladipo: 81 OVR (-2)
DeMarcus Cousins: 79 OVR (-1)
David Nwaba: 77 OVR (+1)
Jae’Sean Tate: 76 OVR (+1)
P.J. Tucker: 74 OVR (-1)
Danuel House: 73 OVR (-1)
Ben McLemore: 73 OVR (-1)

SPURS
Dejounte Murray: 82 OVR (+1)
Keldon Johnson: 80 OVR (-1)
Rudy Gay: 78 OVR (-1)
Patrick Mills: 78 OVR (-1)
Jakob Poeltl: 77 OVR (+1)
Lonnie Walker IV: 75 OVR (-1)
Drew Eubanks: 71 OVR (+3)

SUNS
Chris Paul: 87 OVR (+2)
Dario Šarić: 78 OVR (+1)
Frank Kaminsky III: 78 OVR (+2)
Jalen Smith: 72 OVR (-1)

THUNDER
Al Horford: 82 OVR (+2)
Mike Muscala: 76 OVR (+1)
Isaiah Roby: 76 OVR (+1)
Darius Bazley: 76 OVR (+2)
Kenrich Williams: 76 OVR (+3)
Justin Jackson: 75 OVR (+3)
Darius Miller: 74 OVR (+2)

T-WOLVES
Karl-Anthony Towns: 89 OVR (-1)
Malik Beasley: 82 OVR (+1)
Jake Layman: 74 OVR (+1)
Jaylen Nowell: 74 OVR (+1)
Josh Okogie: 73 OVR (-1)

T-BLAZERS
Carmelo Anthony: 79 OVR (+2)
Gary Trent Jr.: 78 OVR (+1)
Anfernee Simons: 76 OVR (+2)
Rodney Hood: 74 OVR (-1)
Harry Giles III: 73 OVR (-1)

WARRIORS
Stephen Curry: 96 OVR (+1)
Draymond Green: 79 OVR (+1)
Kelly Oubre Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
Kent Bazemore: 76 OVR (+2)
Damion Lee: 75 OVR (-2)
Juan Toscano: 75 OVR (+3)
Mychal Mulder: 73 OVR (+2)

WIZARDS
Rui Hachimura: 78 OVR (-1)
Deni Avdija: 75 OVR (-1)

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

I'm not sure why you seem to think 2K should disregard stats. Zach LaVine (22.7 PER) 29-5-6 in 36 MPG (52-44-85 shooting) 65 TS% (17th) on 31 USG% 25 AST% on 1.34 ATR Donovan Mitchell (18.9 PER) 24-4-5 in 34 MPG (43-39-83 shooting) 56 TS% on 31 USG% 25 AST% on 1.73 ATR Devin Booker (17.2 PER) 24-4-4 in 35 MPG (49-35-83 shooting) 59 TS% on 31 USG% 21 AST% on 1.24 ATR LaVine has had the best year of the three and there isn't much to debate there. For context, 65 TS% has him literally sandwiched between Kevin Durant & James Harden among high-usage scorers. There are few guards in history who have ever shot the ball as well as LaVine is right now. Porzingis is 2-5 from 30 feet this year (now 13-31 in his career). While I would agree that he needs the badge, his actual frequency is far less than your post would indicate. "Always" =/= "Sometimes" It's also more than just about opinions.

Beautifully said. Always look forward to your analysis when a new roster update drops


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Can anybody explain to me who designed this official "courtside report" page and why it looks so bad? Who thinks it's cool to use font size 70+ for the header and then an image that is bigger than my 4k monitor? Looks really horrible.

[Guard-ian]

I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.

And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...

Lavine is not a better player than Mitchell or Booker... and I am not necessarily questioning Zach's 88, that could be well deserved... I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already (if we are going to put a number in the level of a player)... And now their teams are competing well in the way harder Western Conference... that should count either... but no, 2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.

What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...
Whiteside 81+ just becuase he performed well in a couple of games lately when his season was been atrocious so far... however the NBA player of the week keep the same... no consistency... even no objectivity from my perspective...

Cheers! ;-)

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by Guard-ian

I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game. And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral... Lavine is not a better player than Mitchell or Booker... and I am not necessarily questioning Zach's 88, that could be well deserved... I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already (if we are going to put a number in the level of a player)... And now their teams are competing well in the way harder Western Conference... that should count either... but no, 2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story. What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense... Whiteside 81+ just becuase he performed well in a couple of games lately when his season was been atrocious so far... however the NBA player of the week keep the same... no consistency... even no objectivity from my perspective... Cheers! ;-)

Naw...this is a videogame. These players are a replication of their stats. Heart, team chemistry, ability to learn, etc can't be measured, but that doesn't matter because the gamer is the "human" element. There's so much stuff that can be measured these days, that you can come pretty damn close to recreating the player in digital form.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by Guard-ian

I am sorry but I will never agree with those who base their analysis in stats and advanced stats, I can respect it, but to me Baskelball is much more than that and there are still way too many things impossible to register or measure in a "number"... I am not a boxscore addict, I love basketball as a game.

That's well and good, but a number of the attributes are tied to statistical formulas. Ditto for most of the badges.

Editing 500 players without statistics is impossible.

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And by the way It's way easier to produce better numbers in a bad team than doing it in a team that is winning and playing more coral...

Typically, players who put up "numbers" on bad teams are doing so at the expense of their efficiency. That isn't the case here w/ LaVine. In past years yes, but not this year.

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I am questioning the 87 of Donovan or Devin... to me those guys are already elite and should be 90's already

Their production suggests otherwise. Both are having subpar seasons and neither is likely to make the All-Star team this year (I wouldn't call them elite anymore than I would LaVine).

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2k only pay attention to individual stats it seems and again, they will never tell you the whole story.

You're displeased w/ their OVR, but no specific attributes/badges have been referenced. Mostly, it seems like you want them to disregard their available information, but aren't providing any alternate criteria for them to work with.

In the case of Mitchell/Booker, neither is the best player on their team. Both play with multiple players that are better than whoever we consider the 2nd best player on LaVine's team. Team record isn't really a factor when discussing a player's 3pt rating, rebound rating, or whatever else is being quantified.

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What about Jerami Grant? How can be now down to 83 with the season he is playing? It makes no sense...

Jerami Grant is shooting 42% over the last two weeks. He's also down to only 3.6 RPG in 38 MPG in February. He dropped 43 in his last game, but also had 15, 15, and 9 in the prior three (27 FG%) Gotta take the bad with the good.

[King Gro23]

I'm with the @Real2kinsider
Lavine over Booker & Mitchell. When guys often say Booker and Mitchell are better players I think you guys are P.o.P (prisoners of the past)

Both guys get more notoriety than Lavine. B.) Both players have had higher peaks during their careers.

C.) Keep in mind this is relative to this season and not a whole career body of work.

D.) In career perspective you can say Book,Spida & lavine in that order

E) Book has only been playing a quarter of the month, Spida has been marginal with few to below his spectrum of statistical outburst that boost or increase his per's & avgs (albeit while the jazz are playing phenomenal team ball)

F.) The bulls are slippery slope about as good as full retail bogo. However Lavine has 2 game winners/over time pushers this month and from January his numbers across the board are up.

As far as technical skills; all 3 guys are 3 level scorers (IRL) were talking about 1 ovr point among 3 players and Lavine is nearly bringing 30 a night.

It might hurt to hear but as of today Lavine is the top dawg. And God willing he stays healthy and him & Beal will be in same conversation. Lavine will drop 29.4 a game this year

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