On-ball defense

[bobeureally27]

Why is on-ball defense literally the most impossible thing in 2k22? There’s literally no way to stay with your man because of stupid animations.

I’ve had to resort to playing strictly off-ball and switch to a different man if my controlled player becomes the on-ball defender.

It is extremely frustrating, when it is considered that things weren’t like this as of 2k19.


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[Cowboyfan_19]

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It's been going on way longer than 2k22. Online, the input delay/latency is not up to par like most FPS games. Defense will always be a step slower than offense since it's based off reaction anyway, but the animations as you mentioned, & latency play a huge part in the issue.

Badges or lack of badges, also plays a huge factor. On ball D with someone like Jordan or Gary Payton or Marcus Smart feels fluid & realistic. But playing with someone like Nash or Luka & you're going to have a tough time staying in front.

I always just try to influence a certain direction, usually where my help is. So I'll leverage my defender in a way that will cut off a baseline drive, but I know I have gap help in the middle. It's not perfect, but it helps.

[bobeureally27]

Re: On-ball defense

As someone who uses the Celtics, I can assure you that defense with Smart is nothing but fluid.


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[zten11]

Re: On-ball defense

Why is on-ball defense literally the most impossible thing in 2k22? There’s literally no way to stay with your man because of stupid animations.

I’ve had to resort to playing strictly off-ball and switch to a different man if my controlled player becomes the on-ball defender.

It is extremely frustrating, when it is considered that things weren’t like this as of 2k19.


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I was under the impression most people play defense this way vs the CPU. It's the computer on top of that whole problem.

[El_Tercero]

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If you have a good defender it will be easier to stay in front of your man, as it should be. The CPU does do a better job at staying in front and that's why most people play off ball. Because the CPU reacts a lot faster than a human would. But I play on ball defense because it's more rewarding and fun rather than sticking to the guy farthest from the ball.

[The 24th Letter]

On-ball defense

I can’t agree

This has seen a massive improvement this year

It’s as balanced as it’s been in awhile IMO, Other games like 2K17 had the training wheels on where you’d automatically stick to guys but it’s much more organic now.

Who are you attempting to defend with? Do you have Defensive assist on in controller settings?

[RedmanR]

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I was under the impression most people play defense this way vs the CPU. It's the computer on top of that whole problem.

I prefer on ball, switch wherever the ball goes. . .

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[howardphillips214]

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I play a lot of online park games so my experience is guarding the cheesiest of the cheesies. I've had tall defenders, I've hard short little ones that are supposed to be better badges and better speed. The online delay is real, that is a thing. But the other guy had it best.

You look at all the BEST defenders in the NBA, they're not sitting in the chair for 24 seconds fighting through 3-4 picks and totally taking someone out the game EVERY POSSESSION the WHOLE possession.

A good defender is versatile. Being able to switch, hedge, or fight through and making those decisions consistently with a high success rate is what makes a good defender. They say "he guards 1-5" as the ultimate compliment.

Understand, you're going to get beat. The idea is learning from your mistakes. Especially against the real people.

Played a Point Forward today who had his buddy setting screens all game. I'm on a bigger NON defensive character and what enabled us to WIN was having my other teammate stepping up. If I'm getting screened to death and no one switches that's buckets. He drives he shoots, he's money. I think I gave up 10/12 points the 3 games we played them. I made him miss SOME and then my two teammates hit their shots.

If you watch the modern NBA, everyone can shoot, everyone is a threat damn near. Each year the NBA breaks its own record for made 3s and 3s attempted.

2k takes it way too far IMO but that's the game now. People say Curry changed how kids wanna play the game. They have no idea what Curry did to the NBA 2K series. ��

As soon as a logo 3 was not a stupid shot anymore the 2k community been RAINING 3s. I'm at 56% in some 3000 park games and played my first 1000 park games at 19 percent. I just caved and made a sharp shooter who can defend.

There truly is no other way to play this game. Shoot 3s and HOPE you can make your man miss.

[bobeureally27]

Re: On-ball defense

I can’t agree

This has seen a massive improvement this year

It’s as balanced as it’s been in awhile IMO, Other games like 2K17 had the training wheels on where you’d automatically stick to guys but it’s much more organic now.

Who are you attempting to defend with? Do you have Defensive assist on in controller settings?

I’ll have to check on the defensive assist setting. Whatever is the default is what it’s set to, though.

And I’m talking about defending anyone on ball. It is literally impossible to stick with anyone.


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[keshunleon]

Re: On-ball defense

If you watch a NBA game you'll see only the good to great defenders being able to stay close or in front of players.

There are more blowbys IRL than people think.

I agree animations are killing 2K but 2K isn't realistic with movement. In 2K players don't drive direct, they drive at an angle.

I stopped playing online due to lag and lack of realistic game play.

[ILLSmak]

Re: On-ball defense

I can’t agree

This has seen a massive improvement this year

It’s as balanced as it’s been in awhile IMO, Other games like 2K17 had the training wheels on where you’d automatically stick to guys but it’s much more organic now.

Who are you attempting to defend with? Do you have Defensive assist on in controller settings?

Yea on CG at least... when you get crossed or w/e it feels legit. But when you stone wall someone it also feels legit. You guys should think about angles. Holding diff buttons also create diff things. There are many diff ways to play defense in 2k, which is cool, I think. I like to play physical defense (prol fouls irl haha,) but my goal is to ride people into spots they don't wanna be or make them drive etc.



I've gotten hard crossed but it feels legit yknow. I dunno if I've seen any animation love issue cept for the finish. If I get an animation on them, I'm prolly gonna block the shot, unless it's a crazy poster.



-Smak

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: On-ball defense

Honestly, it really depends on the game mode.

[truth1978]

Re: On-ball defense

I don’t agree, IMO I like where he defense is at. I rarely play ranked matches online and I never play the park. Why, because I like completion and everyone online plays the same way run and shoot as quick as possible, i plays just pick n roll. I mostly stay in my lane and play friends who play sim and 12 minute quarters and the computer. Like someone already stated, when you watch an NBA game very few players actually play good defense nowadays. Plus with the spacing,room to create, and shooting ability of todays players it’s a lot harder to stay in front of someone. I play with the Mavs and Bulls, I can hold my own with either team and they are not defensive juggernaut’s. I can take Luka and slow down anyone, how? It’s all about timing and leading them to the help defense. Don’t constantly move, when someone is just dribbling in front of you wait for them to actually move before you move. Also don’t expect to shut anyone down unless you have an elite defender. This is just my two cents

[bobeureally27]

Re: On-ball defense

I don’t agree, IMO I like where he defense is at. I rarely play ranked matches online and I never play the park. Why, because I like completion and everyone online plays the same way run and shoot as quick as possible, i plays just pick n roll. I mostly stay in my lane and play friends who play sim and 12 minute quarters and the computer. Like someone already stated, when you watch an NBA game very few players actually play good defense nowadays. Plus with the spacing,room to create, and shooting ability of todays players it’s a lot harder to stay in front of someone. I play with the Mavs and Bulls, I can hold my own with either team and they are not defensive juggernaut’s. I can take Luka and slow down anyone, how? It’s all about timing and leading them to the help defense. Don’t constantly move, when someone is just dribbling in front of you wait for them to actually move before you move. Also don’t expect to shut anyone down unless you have an elite defender. This is just my two cents

I’m referring to offline. It is impossible to stay with your man.


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[bobeureally27]

Re: On-ball defense

I don’t agree, IMO I like where he defense is at. I rarely play ranked matches online and I never play the park. Why, because I like completion and everyone online plays the same way run and shoot as quick as possible, i plays just pick n roll. I mostly stay in my lane and play friends who play sim and 12 minute quarters and the computer. Like someone already stated, when you watch an NBA game very few players actually play good defense nowadays. Plus with the spacing,room to create, and shooting ability of todays players it’s a lot harder to stay in front of someone. I play with the Mavs and Bulls, I can hold my own with either team and they are not defensive juggernaut’s. I can take Luka and slow down anyone, how? It’s all about timing and leading them to the help defense. Don’t constantly move, when someone is just dribbling in front of you wait for them to actually move before you move. Also don’t expect to shut anyone down unless you have an elite defender. This is just my two cents

I’m referring to offline. It is impossible to stay with your man.


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