Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

[KBTMAC]

Hi guys.

I want to make the 2002-2003 Orlando Magic with Tracy McGrady in his prime, scoring 32.1 ppg.

In your opinion, what should be his overall rating? 97 like 2010 Kobe, Wade e LBJ? Or maybe 95-96?

[Chronz]

Re: Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

Hi guys.

I want to make the 2002-2003 Orlando Magic with Tracy McGrady in his prime, scoring 32.1 ppg.

In your opinion, what should be his overall rating? 97 like 2010 Kobe, Wade e LBJ? Or maybe 95-96?

Statistically it was the greatest season of the modern era, considering it came in the toughest defensive era (post zone pre handcheck) his efficiency was absurd.

His post all-star #'s are so insane that I doubt you could replicate them in 2K (33-7-7 45% 40 3P% or something like that), that was the standard for perimeter play up until Bron/Wade recent season. The difference, Tmac did it with more skill with crappier players around him.

He was arguably the top player in the game and without a doubt the top wing in the game. Give him whatever Wade/Bron have now only make him a much better shooter but worse defender.

Damn thinking back that Tmac was a special player especially come playoff time because you truly got to appreciate his defense. I still remember him making Big Dog his lapdog though that wasnt 03 Tmac had lockdown ability whenever the matchup inspired him or when he didnt have to do everything.

[Humble_Thyself]

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I would give him a 94...maybe a 95.

His offense would obviously be off the charts...only a couple points off here and there for defense.

[threes_co]

Re: Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

Hi guys.

I want to make the 2002-2003 Orlando Magic with Tracy McGrady in his prime, scoring 32.1 ppg.

In your opinion, what should be his overall rating? 97 like 2010 Kobe, Wade e LBJ? Or maybe 95-96?

Why are you concerned with what his overall rating would be? Tendencies and individual ratings would be the main factor in his playing style and effectiveness.

His overall would probably end up somewhere around 90.

I made a CAP and gave him these ratings based on his stats that season.

Shot Inside: 88
Shot Close: 73
Shot Medium: 83
Shot 3pt: 84
FT: 79
Layup: 75
Dunk: 93
Ball Handle: 88
Ball Security: 94
Steal: 65
Block: 34
Off Reb: 44
Def Reb: 62
Off Awr: 95
Def Awr: 66
On Ball D: 67
Pass: 69

Tendencies

Shot Tendency: 99
Inside:34
Close: 11
Med: 30
3pt: 25
Touches: 90
Draw Foul: 88
Committ Foul: 38

Sim a season with those attributes and see what kind of numbers he gets.

[Crossover1]

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That layup is 75? Maybe his inside and layup rating is mixed up.

[Chronz]

Re: Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

Why are you concerned with what his overall rating would be? Tendencies and individual ratings would be the main factor in his playing style and effectiveness.

His overall would probably end up somewhere around 90.

I made a CAP and gave him these ratings based on his stats that season.

Shot Inside: 88
Shot Close: 73
Shot Medium: 83
Shot 3pt: 84
FT: 79
Layup: 75
Dunk: 93
Ball Handle: 88
Ball Security: 94
Steal: 65
Block: 34
Off Reb: 44
Def Reb: 62
Off Awr: 95
Def Awr: 66
On Ball D: 67
Pass: 69

Tendencies

Shot Tendency: 99
Inside:34
Close: 11
Med: 30
3pt: 25
Touches: 90
Draw Foul: 88
Committ Foul: 38

Sim a season with those attributes and see what kind of numbers he gets.

What stats did you base Midrange off of, what about passing seems kind of low for a guy with a microscopic badpass/turnover rate. His midrange game was elite in his decline days with Houston so how is it only 83 at his peak when he could simply rise over the top of even the best defenders.

His D is underrated as well.

[Freak123]

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Statistically it was the greatest season of the modern era, considering it came in the toughest defensive era (post zone pre handcheck) his efficiency was absurd.

His post all-star #'s are so insane that I doubt you could replicate them in 2K (33-7-7 45% 40 3P% or something like that), that was the standard for perimeter play up until Bron/Wade recent season. The difference, Tmac did it with more skill with crappier players around him.

He was arguably the top player in the game and without a doubt the top wing in the game. Give him whatever Wade/Bron have now only make him a much better shooter but worse defender.

Damn thinking back that Tmac was a special player especially come playoff time because you truly got to appreciate his defense. I still remember him making Big Dog his lapdog though that wasnt 03 Tmac had lockdown ability whenever the matchup inspired him or when he didnt have to do everything.

Give him everything Wade and LeBron has besides the freakish and unseen strength and athleticism LeBron has, LeBron's strength and ability to get to the bucket is simply unrivaled by anyone in the history of the game. No disrespect to MJ, but LeBron's is simply better in that regard to the game, but MJ is and always will be the best ever. Anyways, I digress. T-Mac back then should be around a 94 in my opinion, but like a poster said above me it's not just about overall. I'm not going to go through each rating but the ratings the guy posted above is mostly accurate, though I would up his medium range shot and his layup to around 90 and around 85, respectively. Good luck.

[threes_co]

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What stats did you base Midrange off of, what about passing seems kind of low for a guy with a microscopic badpass/turnover rate. His midrange game was elite in his decline days with Houston so how is it only 83 at his peak when he could simply rise over the top of even the best defenders.

His D is underrated as well.

I was attempting to generate accurate sim stats.

Higher ball security = less turnovers

Higher Off Awr = Higher FG%

SOD would affect how well he can pull up in game but has no effect on sim stats.

His D is about right IMO. Didn't use any scientific formula for the awareness ratings.

Too high of a pass rating would result in too many assists.

I'll run a simmed season when I get home and check his stats.

[Chronz]

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Give him everything Wade and LeBron has besides the freakish and unseen strength and athleticism LeBron has, LeBron's strength and ability to get to the bucket is simply unrivaled by anyone in the history of the game. No disrespect to MJ, but LeBron's is simply better in that regard to the game, but MJ is and always will be the best ever. Anyways, I digress. T-Mac back then should be around a 94 in my opinion, but like a poster said above me it's not just about overall. I'm not going to go through each rating but the ratings the guy posted above is mostly accurate, though I would up his medium range shot and his layup to around 90 and around 85, respectively. Good luck.

I like where he had Tmac's inside game, hes never really been a great slasher or inside scorer he was good prolly 80 or so but +90 is reserved for the AI's and Wades of the world.

As for Bron, MJ in his youth wasnt as bullish but with his hands and quickness he could sneak through crevasses in the defense better than Bron.

[Chronz]

Re: Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

I was attempting to generate accurate sim stats.

Higher ball security = less turnovers

Higher Off Awr = Higher FG%

SOD would affect how well he can pull up in game but has no effect on sim stats.

His D is about right IMO. Didn't use any scientific formula for the awareness ratings.

Too high of a pass rating would result in too many assists.

I'll run a simmed season when I get home and check his stats.

Im well aware of the SOD but Im talking about his midrange here, I mean if Tmac is an 83 where do you have Kobe?

As for his Defense, what makes you think so? I have an old debate on the subject that I can copy and paste if youd like, suffice it to say Tmac has gotten an undeserved rep defensively. I get that he was inconsistent but that never stopped people from rating Kobe high defensively and Tmac was a superior helper, a 69 defensive awareness seems pretty low for a guy who used to play Center for the magic (Im not joking) he was recognized as the 2nd most versatile defender by GM's back in the day, same with his on ball D, when he put his mind to it he had ALL the tools to lock down, crazy length + lateral quicks. What got him into trouble was his reaching but he always toned that down come playoff time.

PS what do you think about the changes in the game, I mean if you were trying to recreate Wilt would you try to get him to average 50-20, or would you give him his translated averages? Its a similar albeit much less drastic effect with Tmac. If you were to put THAT Tmac in todays league there is no question he benefits from HC rules. So a slight upgrade on sim stats isnt such a bad thing.

[threes_co]

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Im well aware of the SOD but Im talking about his midrange here, I mean if Tmac is an 83 where do you have Kobe?

As for his Defense, what makes you think so? I have an old debate on the subject that I can copy and paste if youd like, suffice it to say Tmac has gotten an undeserved rep defensively. I get that he was inconsistent but that never stopped people from rating Kobe high defensively and Tmac was a superior helper, a 69 defensive awareness seems pretty low for a guy who used to play Center for the magic back in the day (Im not joking).

Not @ my game right now but I think Kobe is 85 med; correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd like to see the whole D argument.

[Crossover1]

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I gotta admit, when T-Mac was healthy, he was as good as any perimeter player out there.

[AMYO]

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Penny and tmac my two favorite players of all time

[threes_co]

Re: Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Ratings

Why are you concerned with what his overall rating would be? Tendencies and individual ratings would be the main factor in his playing style and effectiveness.

His overall would probably end up somewhere around 90.

I made a CAP and gave him these ratings based on his stats that season.

Shot Inside: 88
Shot Close: 73
Shot Medium: 83
Shot 3pt: 84
FT: 79
Layup: 75
Dunk: 93
Ball Handle: 88
Ball Security: 94
Steal: 65
Block: 34
Off Reb: 44
Def Reb: 62
Off Awr: 95
Def Awr: 66
On Ball D: 67
Pass: 69

Tendencies

Shot Tendency: 99
Inside:34
Close: 11
Med: 30
3pt: 25
Touches: 90
Draw Foul: 88
Committ Foul: 38

Sim a season with those attributes and see what kind of numbers he gets.

Just simmed a season w/ these stats for a T-Mac CAP. I placed him on the present-day Magic. (replaced Vince Carter)

27.2 PPG

1.2 OReb/Gm

6 Reb/Gm

4.6 Ast/Gm

1.8 Steals/Gm

.1 Blocks/Gm

3 TO/Gm

.481% FG

.366% 3PT

.767% FT

38.9 MPG

1539 FGA

407 3PA

9.47 FTA/Gm

Had I placed him on a team w/ sorry players like the 2002-2003 Orlando Magic, he would have shot more, which is the glaring problem w/ this simulation.

I think the stats are fairly accurate for the most part, though.

[Brew]

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All those stats look pretty accurate except for his layup...
It should definitely be in the mid to high 80s... IMO 90 or 91

Just watch this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSt6YUopZ0

Brings back so many great memories and shows how great he was!
Def. my fav player of all-time!
I wish I still had those blue and black Adidas T-Macs! Still got his Orlando jersey in my closet though!