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[slimm44]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigtreydawg

Yes, I was wondering if all those zeros were a typo, I knew you kept it low but damn. After reading that it makes sense now. So does that mean there is no way to eliminate "spin cycle" at the end of the shot clock. That sucks.

The end of the shot clock makes the CPU get uber aggressive. A lot of the intense driving to the rack happens at the end of the clock or when the CPU transitions from FB to FL. The only thing I know to end that madness is to raise shooting tendency sliders which will influence them to shoot earlier in the shot clock. Also, raising the pull up tendency for players who like to shoot off the dribble would help, also.

With proper spacing on Hot Spots and all players having a high Spot Up Tendency, ball movement improves and players are more likely to take shots from their "spots" within the flow of the offense. With the edits I've done and playing/watching on PRO with edited sliders, most of the action you'll see in FL sets is PNR, Spot Up, or Post Up.

[bigtreydawg]

Quote: Originally Posted by slimm44

Considerably different. I respect his work and agree with it, but what I expect to see on the court isn't accomplished by using his edits. Again, I don't think any of us understand 2k's AI NEARLY as much as we think we do. I'll go ahead and post them: Inside 41 Close 49 Mid 53 3PT 49 Layup 47 DIT 50 DIT Success 50 Pass 43 Alley Oop 50 Contact Shot 35 Driving Contact 0 Inside Contact 0 Layyp Takeoff 100 Layup Gather 100 Jump Shot Gather 50 Jump Shot Release 50 Help D 100 Steal 50 Quickness 0 Vertical 35 Strength 50 Stamina 50 Speed 50 Durability 50 Hustle 50 Handling 43 Hands 43 Dunking 50 On Ball D 50 Stealing 50 Blocking 100 OFF AWA 100 DEF AWA 100 OFF Reb 100 Def Reb 50 Consistency 0 Fatigue Rate 57 Injury Frequ 50 Injury Severity 50 Take Inside 50 Take Close 50 Take Mid 90 Take 3PT 45 Post Shots 100 Attack 50 Look for Post 100 Thow Oops 100 Dunks 50 Putbacks 50 Play Lanes 100 On Ball steals 0 Contest Shots 100 Backdoor 100 OTB Foul 100 Charging 100 BLocking 75 Reaching 50 Shooting 100 Loose Ball 100 Those are the sliders I used to get the stats I posted a few minutes ago.

You're breaking my heart, now I have to write VT and Paul_Pierce an apology letter. Lol

Ill hold off on that until I'm convinced I can't fix this game through tendency edits.

[slimm44]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigtreydawg

You're breaking my heart, now I have to write VT and Paul_Pierce an apology letter. Lol Ill hold off on that until I'm convinced I can't fix this game through tendency edits.

Ha! You can influence (to some degree, and I'm not 100% certain on this) what players do on the FB but you can't make them FB through individual player tendencies. I am wondering if Attack the Basket is an on ball tendency and if DTL is an off-ball tendency. I am thinking they work that way.

If so, raising Attack the Basket would make players drive to the rack like a jailbreak and raising DTL would influence players to crash the basket without the ball when running a break and possibly when setting a pick in FL PNR. I'm pretty sure that set PNR plays have options built in to tell the pick setter whether to fade/roll/pop and that those options MAY override individual player tendencies that would influence that behavior. I'm not sure about that, though.

[bigtreydawg]

Quote: Originally Posted by slimm44

Ha! You can influence (to some degree, and I'm not 100% certain on this) what players do on the FB but you can't make them FB through individual player tendencies. I am wondering if Attack the Basket is an on ball tendency and if DTL is an off-ball tendency. I am thinking they work that way. If so, raising Attack the Basket would make players drive to the rack like a jailbreak and raising DTL would influence players to crash the basket without the ball when running a break and possibly when setting a pick in FL PNR. I'm pretty sure that set PNR plays have options built in to tell the pick setter whether to fade/roll/pop and that those options MAY override individual player tendencies that would influence that behavior. I'm not sure about that, though.

Attack the basket was my next talking point for your 2 games did you have it set to 20?

I was doing some testing with pick and roll in regards to play calling (check out my findings in the "how to make teams play . . ." Thread) I found that the plays design is kind of set in stone but the likely hood of certain pick and roll being called for certain pick and roll men is based off of DTL. (That's a point for you in the off ball tendency department).

Basically I lowered Tim Duncan's drive the lane tendency into the 20 because auto play calling was not choosing the pick and fade mid plays. And that worked like a charm.

[bigtreydawg]

Wow, that attack the basket theory is not that bad actually. You wouldn't even have to adjust shooting tendencies.

Check this out: shoot from triple threat makes a player do just that. A meat and potatoes, no dribble jump shot.

Pull up makes a player shoot off his dribble.

And a combination of the two makes players more likely to use the one dribble pull up animations. (I tested this to death. It's truth)

Maybe it is possible to have attack the basket above 1 without sacrificing gameplay if shoot from triple threat was raised for guards and forwards who have no business being aggressive.

[slimm44]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigtreydawg

Wow, that attack the basket theory is not that bad actually. You wouldn't even have to adjust shooting tendencies. Check this out: shoot from triple threat makes a player do just that. A meat and potatoes, no dribble jump shot. Pull up makes a player shoot off his dribble. And a combination of the two makes players more likely to use the one dribble pull up animations. (I tested this to death. It's truth) Maybe it is possible to have attack the basket above 1 without sacrificing gameplay if shoot from triple threat was raised for guards and forwards who have no business being aggressive.

I can see those being testable ideas. I believe that every time a player catches a pass in a standing position (not running) they are in a triple threat position. Have you heard/read this?

[bigtreydawg]

That it is indeed the case but lets save that for later. In my imagination I can see it presenting its own problem with scrubs taking shots you would rather have them pass up on.

Like I said I'm away from the game until Monday but I'm now really curious to partake in your part of the test. Those results really shattered a few ideas about editing this game.

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Once you finish doing all this testing and stuff, you gonna release a roster? I'm looking for some good gameplay. Every time I watch an NBA game then play 2K right after it makes me a little depressed lol