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Old 04-15-2013, 12:19 PM   #433
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Since I made these edits I've seen less plays called, faster ball movement, point guards Mark Sanchezing the ball downcourt from one end, big men out on the perimeter guarding point guards lol. I'm sure I've done something incorrect somewhere
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:40 PM   #434
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About certain ratings kind of unlocking quick plays...do you think this applies to normal plays, too?
Could the same kind of ratings difference mechanics apply to set play calling in some way?

Will run a few tests with high touches players having all offensive attibutes set to 25 to find out whether the AI reacts to this.
Well I know that drive the lane has an effect on what type of pick and roll plays are likely to be called. Same thing with the 3pt tendency slider, Dirk and Kevin Love get a lot of pick and pop plays because of that.

I don't know if it expands into other areas but Duke and Hype are getting a lot of post plays during their time messing with post offense. I'm inclined to believe that is all touch tendency related.

Edit: I shouldn't say Drive the lane. The player breakdown found in the tendencies page gives a diagram of what a player does. I believe this determines the type of pick and roll that is called.

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Old 04-15-2013, 01:17 PM   #435
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Since I made these edits I've seen less plays called, faster ball movement, point guards Mark Sanchezing the ball downcourt from one end, big men out on the perimeter guarding point guards lol. I'm sure I've done something incorrect somewhere
Sounds like it, I sent you a reply but it got swallowed up by the thread,

Cherry picking is a mixture of drive the lane/High tempo/fastbreak

The most affective way to combat it is to lower the drive the lane tendency of your players. Can you give me some examples of what is happening? And how does floor spacing look and feel?
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I want to start up a PM for anyone interested in testing Ball Handling.

This is of personal importance to me because I've been working on it for a while now. DukeC and SLIMM get an invite, who else would like to help me fine tune this idea?
Add me to this as well, about to start testing the effect of the Set Up Dribble tendencies.
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Add me to this as well, about to start testing the effect of the Set Up Dribble tendencies.
Gotcha, I would be interested in knowing what would make a player size his man up And1 style with a lot of stationary crossovers. I hope that is possible.
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Some early results:

Set Up Dribble

Ran a test of 91 Pistons v Bulls.

All Bulls perimeter players had:
Straight Dribble: 0
Size Up:0
Hesitation:100

All Pistons perimeter players had:
Straight Dribble: 0
Size Up:100
Hesitation:0

No notice-able change vs all players having 100,0,0, which I had before.

2nd Test

91 Lakers @ Bulls

All Bulls perimeter players had:
Straight Dribble: 0
Size Up:0
Hesitation:0

All Lakers perimeter players had:
Straight Dribble:100
Size Up:100
Hesitation:100

Still no noticeable change from other settings.

This is leading me to think that since I have all the Dribble Moves at 0 except simple drive at 100, the type of dribble move that is performed is tied to these tendencies.

For example, I not see many(if any) hesitation crossovers, just regular crossovers that are obviously hard coded into the game.

That should be expected with the Hesitation and Hesitation Crossover tendencies are set to zero(or at least the Hes. Cross is at 0).

Next will be:

One team with Hesitation at 100+Hes. Cross 100.

The other will be Hesitation 0+Hes. Cross 100.

This should determine if my theory of the Set-Up Dribble being tied to the Dribble Moves.

Also a quick video from the Lakers/Bulls test, a good example of a "win" by the offense, and a "win" by the defense. In case anyone was wondering what is meant when we(or at least I say) "win" in reference to these situations.

Jordan beats Scott off the dribble by dipping shoulder once he gets a step.


Next trip, Jordan tries the same thing, Scott cuts him off, and the D collaspes forcing Jordan to back out and pass off to a teammate.



Jordan: Handle - 99
Scott: On Ball D - 70
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A problem we're going to have with these PM groups is a 5375 character cap that OS puts on PMs.

Also I feel bad every time I have to clear space in my inbox. Some good stuff is lost forever, lol. Can we think of a solution?

One suggestion I see is that we can leave comments on blog entries, if the person who brought up a topic and is doing the meat of the testing could copy and paste their introductory thread post to a blog entry we could all comment on that without losing inbox space.

Does that sound good?
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Sounds like it, I sent you a reply but it got swallowed up by the thread,

Cherry picking is a mixture of drive the lane/High tempo/fastbreak

The most affective way to combat it is to lower the drive the lane tendency of your players. Can you give me some examples of what is happening? And how does floor spacing look and feel?

Like after a score or a even a miss they will just fling the ball all the way up court whether the guy is open or not. Zach Randolph would be out on the perimeter guarding Felton. Like I don't know if for certain players the on ball defense, drive the lane, attack the basket and all the other tendencies should be a certain amount for big men and guards. For instance, on slimms scale, for certain tendencies or ratings he says use the tiered scale but shouldn't there be a certain criteria for big men or guards? Like ball handling? Lay ups and dunks. Zach Randolph's barely dunks but I'm sure he can. Also I leave plays open purposely and they won't shoot lol they'll drive or pass smh I'm going crazy

And as far as floor spacing, I still haven't quite grasped that part yet lol. I think my silly a** may need a scale for that too. This is the first time I really got into the whole editing rosters but I'm interested this year so you're gonna see a lot of problems and issues from me lmao. Sorry if it gets annoying but questions will be asked.
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