Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

[sergiomaverick]

I am going to be doing a massive roster ratings update over the next 1 to 2 months with reattributed ratings for each player and I was wondering what formulas people have discovered for converting ratings to stats. Such as what 3 Pt Rating = what 3 Pt % ?

I have some of my own in mind that I have came up with over the last few years but I'm not sure how accurate mine are, if at all.

I've always figured a 3 Point Rating of 79 = 33% but this is just a guess.

Also I figured a steal rating of 75 = 1 Steal a game. I figure a steal rating of 90 = 2.

Close Range and Mid Range shots are somewhat subjective and hard to put into actual stats without using context and opinion too.

So what I am looking for is 3 Point Rating, Steals, Blocks, Assists and anything else that anybody has come up with.

I know DCAllAmerican had mentioned in another thread a formula he has used...

[catsajak]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

3 pt = 3% + 45
FT%=FT%
Close=subjective
Mid=subjective/completely random
I know people have said Pass is related to Assists per 48, but I don't know the formula.

[nogster]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

with many attributes there is no formula.
ft% is the only attribute that can be statistically matched to reality.
its subjective.
but there is a basic rule of thumb i stick to.
INSIDE SCORING: i only have prolific scorers in the 90s in this attribute..role playing outside shooters should be pretty low, as u want to emphasize their skill set.
MID RANGE: prolific scorers in the 80s, i only have a handful of players in the 90s..rip, redd, allen, nash, dirk, cant think of any others. some shooting specialists can be in the 80s. but if they are 3pt specialists, u want to emphasize that so mid range for them should be high 70s-low 80s.
3PT: i only got a handfull of guys in the 90s in this, nash, kapono, allen. cant think of others.
LAYUP: basically the more athletic and skilled the player is, the higher the rank, as layup indicates a players creativity and skill. thats why guards and swingmen are higher than bigs.
DUNK: see above.
POST OFF: this indicates a players scoring ability in the post animation as well as his ability to backdown. only the big predominant back to basket scorers should be in the 90s. KG's default is 98. which is ridiculous..that makes him shaqlike..i only have shaq, ming, curry, randolph, duncan [from memory] in the 90s.
POST DEF: opposite of above.
OFF AWARENESS: self explanatory, how intelligent and effective the player is on offense.
DEF AWARENESS: same as above for defense.
STRENGTH: self explanatory, this indicates a players ability to hold off defensive challenges, ie: driving the lane without getting impeded. vice versa on defense, thats why lebron and the other superslashers are high.

[DC]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

We can solely base it (layup rating) on how athletic/creative a person is in the air since we have a SIT rating this year and years past layup rating determined the
In traffic %, creativity of the layup

[sergiomaverick]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

Thanks for the formula for 3 Point Percentage. I was close but off by 1 point on the way I based mine.

Close is totally subjective and I agree mid range is for the most part subjective. I know somebody doing rosters last year was using 82 games.com for mid range ratings, but I just don't think that's real reliable for a stat such as mid range. I'm sure a player like Amare Stoudemire or even Mikki Moore hit a higher percentage of their mid range shots than Kobe, but it's the type of shot they get too. Amare or Mikki shoot most of their mid range shots off a pick n pop and wide open, whereas Kobe is smothered and taking tough shots. So this is where subjection comes in.

So really the formulas I am looking for now are:

Rebounding (Offense and Defense)
Steals
Blocks
Assists
and maybe even Fouls

[catsajak]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

There's the problem--It seems like their is no formula for most of the ratings. So then you have to decide, a)make ratings based on the default ones (ie. There are x SFs/total players with a 89+ mid rating, so I want a similar number) or b)make a formula that seems to not diverge too far from 2ks, but seem to actually be justifiable.

2k is always in a tough spot because casual fans expect to see LeBron or Kobe or whatever at 99 because they're the stars, but in order to do that they have to bloat a couple of their abilities to get to the overall number vs. have integrity in their product and it's rating system. As expected, the money normally wins.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

Thanks for the formula for 3 Point Percentage. I was close but off by 1 point on the way I based mine.

Close is totally subjective and I agree mid range is for the most part subjective. I know somebody doing rosters last year was using 82 games.com for mid range ratings, but I just don't think that's real reliable for a stat such as mid range. I'm sure a player like Amare Stoudemire or even Mikki Moore hit a higher percentage of their mid range shots than Kobe, but it's the type of shot they get too. Amare or Mikki shoot most of their mid range shots off a pick n pop and wide open, whereas Kobe is smothered and taking tough shots. So this is where subjection comes in.

So really the formulas I am looking for now are:

Rebounding (Offense and Defense)
Steals
Blocks
Assists
and maybe even Fouls

82games also records how often a player is assisted - i.e. set shots vs created shots.

Obviously a player like Kyle Korver who is assisted on 90% of his shots and Kobe who is assisted on 40%, there should be quite a bit of variance in their stats if they both had identical percentages. One is taking tougher shots than the other.

[nogster]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

82games also records how often a player is assisted - i.e. set shots vs created shots.

Obviously a player like Kyle Korver who is assisted on 90% of his shots and Kobe who is assisted on 40%, there should be quite a bit of variance in their stats if they both had identical percentages. One is taking tougher shots than the other.

and thats where the shooting off the dribble attribute comes in.
besides. there is no way korver should be anywhere close to kobe in inside and midrange scoring...

[TMagic]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

I tried to use formulas before, but there is no perfect formula to get accurate stats.

Most of it has to be subjective for the ratings to be as accurate as possible because players play so differently than one another. Not only that, but its the way teams play, and the personnel on that team that can affect a players stats.

Three Point Rating:
Tracy McGrady only shoots 31% from three point range. Which would result in about a 76 rating using one of your formulas. But the thing is, Tracy McGrady takes some of the most difficult threes. Defenders right in his face, over double teams, and off the dribble. Thats why his percentage is so low...Now I know that the "Shoot in traffic" rating is in the game, but his 3 point rating is still underrated because of these difficult shots. If he and others like Kobe, were givin open shots because the defense didnt focus in on them, then their percentages would be much higher. Probably would be around the 40% mark, which would give them an 85 rating in the game. If Kobe or T-Mac are left open for three many times during the coarse of a game, I guarantee that they will punish their opponent just like other "3 point specialist" would. Their ratings shouldn't take a knock becuase of the percentage they shoot when the defense is all over them. We have no idea how well they would shoot from three if they were left wide open numerous times during a game. So it should be safe to assume that they would be shooting a much higher percentage if they were left open, or only took open three's like Korver or Kapono. Can anyone actually tell me that if T-Mac and Korver were just left open on all their threes, Korver would be almost twenty points better?

Mid
This is just my personal opinion, but mid range should be how far a player can shoot effectively. The higher the rating, the more range that player has. Not only is it an indicator of range, its how good a player shoots inside the arch. So a player with a 70 rating would be able to hit jumpers from about 10 feet out with good efficeincy. Outside of that, say about 15 ft, he can be hit or miss. And at about 20 ft, he will miss the majority of his shots in real life, and probably doesn't take many out there. A player with an 80 would have no problem hitting anything up to 15 feet, and hit or miss outside of that. A player with a 90 would hit anything inside the arch with no problems. So basically as a players mid rating goes up, the more range he has on his jumper, AND the better or more consistent his jumper is as he gets closer to the basket.

Close
Basically what somebody else said, the better scorer a person is, the higher his close should be.

This is again, just personal opinion, but thats just how I handle mine.

[RayAP19]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

It doesn't really matter, since not everyone has the same sliders.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

and thats where the shooting off the dribble attribute comes in.
besides. there is no way korver should be anywhere close to kobe in inside and midrange scoring...

Not really, guys like Korver aren't bad off the dribble, Korver is still a SF with decent handle and can hit shots on the move, its bigmen who get low ratings in that category. At 6'7 and 210 pounds (off the top of my head) its not like he would be rated as low as immobile shooters like Mehmet Okur, Raef LaFrentz, Michael Doleac, etc.

My point was Kobe's shots are with the toughest defenders in his face and double/triple teams nightly, whereas Korver gets a lot of open looks from teammate penetration.

[nogster]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

Not really, guys like Korver aren't bad off the dribble, Korver is still a SF with decent handle and can hit shots on the move, its bigmen who get low ratings in that category. At 6'7 and 210 pounds (off the top of my head) its not like he would be rated as low as immobile shooters like Mehmet Okur, Raef LaFrentz, Michael Doleac, etc.

My point was Kobe's shots are with the toughest defenders in his face and double/triple teams nightly, whereas Korver gets a lot of open looks from teammate penetration.

yeah i agree with your sentiments rashidi. i wasnt saying he cant shoot off the dribble, and he would certainly be better than the shooting bigs u mention. but kobe is a master at creating his shot, korver is more a spot up shooter, so there would be a big difference in the off the dribble attribute between them as well as the mid and close attributes, or else, why not just abuse korvers shooting ability and make him a primary scorer. by making him average at close, good at mid, and superior at 3's along with average at off the dribble, u can be sure that he cant be abused just because he is a good shooter. players will be forced to play with him the right way. as a predominant 3 pt specialist.

[ladam24]

Re: Player Ratings to Stats Formulas

I'm sorry, but ratings relative to stats don't work. They never do.