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  • -DaVe-
    Rookie
    • Aug 2007
    • 492

    #1

    Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

    I hope so!

    Here's a videos explaining the issue very well
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  • Boge
    MVP
    • Oct 2003
    • 1689

    #2
    Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

    I see two problems which will keep them from fixing this issue.

    1. Canned Animations - these are killing the game if you ask me. Yeah, it looks pretty, but when this happens, the game physics just go out the window, and that's when you see the morphing of the ball, it's when Lebron or Kobe does their fancy canned animations and the ball basically becomes part of them.

    2. Actual ball physics would cause a ton of unwanted and uncontrolled turnovers. It would constantly be getting hit by someone's knee or hand or shoulder or whatever. Now, you think, well, that's how it is in real life. You're right about that, but in real life, I can angle my pass just another inch to the left in order to avoid it getting deflected. I can't do that kind of precision in a game. So it has to become a bit more of a calculation rather than the actual physics. Also, more turnovers would frustrate those players that want action. If the ball is getting turned over 18 times a game, and deflected out of bounds 10 times a game, the game will be slowed down and the action junkies will complain. Of course it's good for the similation fans, but game developers don't like catering to one audience.

    Anyway, that's my input. I hope it made sense. If not, you can call me a moron. I don't really care.

    Either way, I bet it won't be fixed for a couple more years.

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    • RayAP19
      Banned
      • Oct 2006
      • 2668

      #3
      Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

      I LOL'd hard the entire beginning he was talkin about molecules and whatnot and just rambling about other random stuff. LMAO

      Anyways, to Boge, I think canned animations are needed in the game. You can't have realistic offense/defense interaction without canned animations, as players would never appear to touch one another.

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      • B-Wills
        Rookie
        • Mar 2007
        • 337

        #4
        Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

        I thought the ball morphing in 2k8 was bad, the ball morphing in 2k9 is just absolutely ridiculous. Glitches and errors like that Kinda make the game unplayable.
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        • -DaVe-
          Rookie
          • Aug 2007
          • 492

          #5
          Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

          bump hoping a dev looks at the topic
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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #6
            Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

            These are the worst possible videos someone could use to help out the developers.

            If you can post a video where someone isn't rambling on for 10 minutes and instead states their point and cuts it off, I'm sure it would get a look.
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            • DC
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2002
              • 17996

              #7
              Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

              If they don't know by now it is a MAJOR issue, then they will never know. I am pretty sure they know
              Concrete evidence/videos please

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              • -DaVe-
                Rookie
                • Aug 2007
                • 492

                #8
                Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                BUMP To see if this issue will finally be addressed.
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                • blues rocker
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 1921

                  #9
                  Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                  Yeah, I hate the ball "morphing/clipping" in 2k. Does Live have this issue as bad? I've been putting up with this crap in 2k for waaaaaaaay too long. I don't know how many times I've had the opponent make a shot that I visibly blocked because my guy's hand went right through the ball.

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                  • Stumbleweed
                    Livin' the dream
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6279

                    #10
                    Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                    It's not as bad in Live but it's present in both games. The ball morphing and sliding make 2K9 tough to play for me... mainly all the sliding/Mario running that happens. I notice it the most in Team Up while moving off the ball and running into someone, but it happens far too often in the normal game as well.
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                    • jmood88
                      Sean Payton: Retribution
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 34639

                      #11
                      Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                      lol the molecular structure is AB-sent.
                      Originally posted by Blzer
                      Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                      If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                      • TheSolutionKMH
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 272

                        #12
                        Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                        ball morphing will be in basketball video games forever, the ball is the player until it at the highest or lowest point. just imagine if the ball was completely interactive and not attached to the player, it wouldnt be no scoring and a whole lot of turnovers cause IRL b-ball players can create a situation to not let the ball get out there hands, but in video game basketball situation are provided for you randomly so with a interactive and loose ball the ball will almost never reach the rim

                        i know everybody think they want the ball morphing to stop but im just giving u my truth and knowledge and thats just not possible unless you can elaborately explain how the ball can be fully interactive and still play sim video game basketball

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                        • stateprop
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 1307

                          #13
                          Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                          Gideon Prime does make valid points in his video but he rambles alot, i mean a 3 minnute video or less shouldnt be a 6-10 miuntes video. Molecular structure???? really man i know ur trying to sound smart but come on. I hope the ball morphing is toned down, why wont they use eurphoria engine like in back breaker.

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                          • Kaanyr Vhok
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2248

                            #14
                            Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                            He is right the game feels a lot like horse. Its not about if you can score its about how you score. Can you score "sim style", can you look good scoring, can you cheese and make someone quit, can you score with one person, can you score with everyone?? Also its not just about canned animations. I have seen blocks off that exact same dunk so you can have clipping and still register a block or a foul. Its ugly but at least its fair.

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                            • Mo_Magic
                              Pro
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 715

                              #15
                              Re: Is the ball morph issue going to finally be looked at?

                              Originally posted by TheSolutionKMH
                              ball morphing will be in basketball video games forever, the ball is the player until it at the highest or lowest point. just imagine if the ball was completely interactive and not attached to the player, it wouldnt be no scoring and a whole lot of turnovers cause IRL b-ball players can create a situation to not let the ball get out there hands, but in video game basketball situation are provided for you randomly so with a interactive and loose ball the ball will almost never reach the rim

                              i know everybody think they want the ball morphing to stop but im just giving u my truth and knowledge and thats just not possible unless you can elaborately explain how the ball can be fully interactive and still play sim video game basketball
                              Anybody think a protect ball button would remedy this, IF there ever was a game to use physics?

                              I'm thinking the left trigger, since it doesn't really do much on offense anyway. In fact, if I was making a game like this, the left trigger would activate pivot moves(and the direction you push the left stick would effect where you pivot) if I hadn't dribbled yet or had picked up my dribble and would shield the ball from the defensive player if I had my dribble going.

                              Somebody needs to figure out how to do this and do it in a way that accurately portrays the NBA game. I'd be hooked 'cuz it'd be crack.

                              Awww, dreams, dreams, dreams.

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