Interior post defense is just Terrible

[Pro Bowler]

I hope this is something they can patch. Passes in the paint are automatic because the ball just goes through the defender or the post defender is just completely out of position. It's like there is no distinguished passing lanes in the paint what so ever. Any pass in the paint is a completion 90% of the time regardless of situation.

The worst is the weak side post defense. The weak side post defender faces the guy in the weakside post with his back completely turned to the ball. He also NEVER attempts to cut off a man flashing across the paint from the weakside. He just casually follows behind him. This is a basic rule of basketball when playing post defense. You never let a man flash across the post without cutting him off.

This makes online just unbearable if you get matched up against someone who wants to exploit this. You can pass any time you have cutters in the lane because of the poor position of the defenders or the ball going right though someone who is eyeballing the pass and should be able to easily intercept the pass. You don't have to lead pass either. A normal pass to any cutter in the lane is successful.

It just doesn't ruin online either. Playing offline and seeing this stuff over and over gets old.

I'm hoping a patch that just puts you defenders in proper position in the post will cure this, but i also believe it has something to do with the AI of CPU defenders awareness and their inability to intercept passes when they have a passing lane defended.

[STLRams]

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All we can do is pray that the devs know what there doing and fix this stuff with the patch.

[sword1986]

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2009 this thread was made, and here we are 2012. I am posting about NBA 2K13's interior defense.

We need more contact in the paint. Have it be 100% of the time, if a small tries to go up with a big man having his arms up, he gets into a funky animation and botches his inside shot attempt. If you watch basketball closely and observe the game, you will see how post defense works.

Last night, I was watching the Nets/Knicks game ... Kurt Thomas hovered over MarShon Brooks in the paint, arms up. He was forced to pass out. If you do that in NBA 2K13, arms up is meaningless, you are shoved out of the way and the shot either goes in or misses. A patch is needed to code the CPU to pass out if a big man is hovering over a small in that situation, and if he decides to go up with it, he botches. SIMPLE. Brooks didn't even try an up and under (I wonder why). In 2K, you do the up and under step through nonsense, you will hit that basket with ease. Even with the contact slider at 100, the ball will go in.

2K, it is a simple fix - just have the CPU play basketball. Pass the ball out, try to get a man open, set up screens, try to hit leaners. Stop with the shot clock cheese nonsense. Defense is close to meaningless in this game. The concept is right, but the fundamentals are flawed. I can understand Joe Johnson hitting a shot with Steve Novak in his face (doesn't have a good On Ball Defense rating), but he shouldn't with someone like Iman Shumpert (lockdown defender).

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Do not have the CPU cheat, have the CPU use logic with defensive assignments. Put the best defenders on the best players.

[scoonie05]

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Get ready for the "you suck at the game" comments smh

[sword1986]

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Get ready for the "you suck at the game" comments smh

It's not just me. The CPU Defense sucks, because I can do step through up and unders on the CPU on Hall of Fame and not engage into any contact. I can make videos to prove it.

[younggrease]

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they tried this in 2k8 pre patch. People hated it. Everyone just complained about missed layups.

[JasonWilliams55]

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they tried this in 2k8 pre patch. People hated it. Everyone just complained about missed layups.

Unfortunate but true. 2k8 pre patch was superb.

[acolbert]

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Get ready for the "you suck at the game" comments smh

.."Cooold Bloooded"

[The 24th Letter]

they tried this in 2k8 pre patch. People hated it. Everyone just complained about missed layups.

Exactly....

[sword1986]

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Just make the contact like 2K11, but with prettier contact animations. Some contact animations in 2K11 were a little over exaggerated but atleast you made contact and physics were respected. It was very hard to score in the paint in 2K11, and thats how it needs to be in 2K13 unless you have dominant big men like Brook Lopez, Dwight Howard, who will dominate in that area. I shouldn't see RUSSELL WESTBROOK leaping into the paint for a dunk with Humphries and Reggie Evans in position. Reggie Evans with his back turned to the side not expecting it, yeah I can see it - but not with me WAITING THERE and expecting him to drive the lane.

[B Easy]

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I complain to myself all the time how easy it is to score low on the block, but when I miss easy hooks, and layups with the defender giving me no pressure at all, I lose my mind.

It's like which of the lesser of two evils do you want to deal with? There needs to be some sort of a patch to eliminate how easy it is to pass to cutters in the paint. Dump the ball down low and wait for guys to get to the basket, dish it off for an easy deuce every time.

That's my only complaint gameplay wise this year.

[Vni]

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This very true. Some post moves are just complete cheese this year and this is sad not beeig able to use them online just to keep the game fair.

[thetalkofanation]

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another cry baby stuff needs to be patched post.. just adjust to the game or don't buy it. It's pretty much been the same since the start. Im just saying all of these crybaby threads are getting real old.

[AllStarDaDon]

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Stop the crying.

Post defense is just fine. I could lock up guys in the post with no problems. I also had people shut me down in the post. In the league I'm in I'm usually dominating with Brook Lopez I went up against my defensive minded homie who had OKC locked me up with Perkins. He made Brook Lopez shoot 1-9.

People are so quick to call the game broken, or to hard etc. How about you ask for tips?

First of all let off the LT. Only use LT the first 2 seconds after you body up the post player, then let it go, use RS to try and muscle him away from the hoop. Soon as he goes for his shot, move the RS AWAY from his body. That will make your defender lunge up in the air and body him up without a foul usually.

For Running hooks, as soon as he goes to make his move to start running, run to the spot he's going. Don't run with him, run to where he is going to shoot his jumphook and press y, beat him to the spot.

Hands up defense in the post is usually good for faceup players. Instead of committing to a full contest just use hands up because you can move with ya hands up if the faceup player hits you with a pump fake and tries to blow by you. Also hands up is decent after they get a offensive rebound.

Also on faceup drives, try beating him to the spot you think he's going. Go for a charge or use the lunge animation by moving the RS away from the defender like I told you earlier.

The main thing is about people on defense they try to take away everything. You can't guard everything on defense, you can't guard the 3, the paint, the jumper all at the same time it's ****ing impossible. You gotta give something up. Sag off them a bit if they beat you with jumpers they beat you with jumpers. Against post player when they faceup, back off them a bit give em space for the jumper. If he tries driving beat him to the spot where he's going.

It's not easy defending the post in real life, if you have a good post player he should eat you alive. It takes a good defender to make a good offensive player work. Stopping the post isn't going to become second nature over night, but it won't take long either. Just please stop crying.

I do agree there is a bit more contact needed in the paint tho.

[keshunleon]

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I completely agree with the lack of paint presence defenders have.

I stated this in 2K's forum as a patch request; no contact animations

Defenders in good or great position
1. gets slide backward or out the way.
2. hands are up but shooter goes through defenders body
3. reacts to the pump fakes badly (teammates jumping for no reason) allowing his man to get a pass and an easy layup or shot.
4. ball goes through defender's hands (instead of a blocked)
5. passes goes through defender's body

Defenders are sometimes punished (fouls) for standing with their hands up or when they jump straight up, no charge.

PG's and SG's will drive and go up for a layup and knock much bigger defenders backwards in the air. Or the PG or SG is guarding a big in the paint and the big can't score because height doesn't factor.