Question about steals

[jr2424]

This might have been already answered but does anyone know if 2k fixed their steal system in regards to who is awarded with the steal? It's always been the player who picks it up instead of the player who causes the deflection. It's not the end of the world but I always found it frustrating when it wasn't ruled correctly. Thanks

[bearschicago]

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This might have been already answered but does anyone know if 2k fixed their steal system in regards to who is awarded with the steal? It's always been the player who picks it up instead of the player who causes the deflection. It's not the end of the world but I always found it frustrating when it wasn't ruled correctly. Thanks

Also what about when a defender blocks a shot and gets the rebound but it doesn't count as a rebound?

[jr2424]

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Also what about when a defender blocks a shot and gets the rebound but it doesn't count as a rebound?

Another good point. I think sometimes we get caught up in arm sleeves and headbands but not as much about the stats. I mean isn't that what sports is supposed to be about? It's funny that I never remember to ask this question when I'm on here but when I'm playing the game and see the stats aren't given to the right player, it irks me. I hope this is addressed but I think we might have another year with this. It doesn't ruin my experience or take away from the game but I just wish we as a community harped on this more than the superficial stuff.

[bearschicago]

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Another good point. I think sometimes we get caught up in arm sleeves and headbands but not as much about the stats. I mean isn't that what sports is supposed to be about? It's funny that I never remember to ask this question when I'm on here but when I'm playing the game and see the stats aren't given to the right player, it irks me. I hope this is addressed but I think we might have another year with this. It doesn't ruin my experience or take away from the game but I just wish we as a community harped on this more than the superficial stuff.

Another thing is I don't think fast-break points are calculated correctly in 2K10. It seems like a fast-break point in 2K10 is when you make a wide open field goal.

I need confirmation from people on here if this is true or not.

I also wish the box scores would also show the seconds in minutes played.

[domidomdomz]

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Another thing is I don't think fast-break points are calculated correctly in 2K10. It seems like a fast-break point in 2K10 is when you make a wide open field goal.

I need confirmation from people on here if this is true or not.

I also wish the box scores would also show the seconds in minutes played.

I believe FB points are counted within the first 5 or 6 seconds of the shot clock regardless if the shot was open or contested.

[bearschicago]

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I believe FB points are counted within the first 5 or 6 seconds of the shot clock regardless if the shot was open or contested.

Yeah but what I'm saying is if you make a contested shot in 2K10 within 5-6 seconds its not recorded as a fast-break point.

Open make within 5-6 seconds in 2K10 is recorded of course.

[domidomdomz]

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Yeah but what I'm saying is if you make a contested shot in 2K10 within 5-6 seconds its not recorded as a fast-break point.

Open make within 5-6 seconds in 2K10 is recorded of course.

Hmm.. I didn't notice that. Maybe I was too lazy to know about it.

[bearschicago]

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Hmm.. I didn't notice that. Maybe I was too lazy to know about it.

Well I started to wonder after looking at the team stats after a 48 min game. 2K would show a total of 6-8 fastbreak points when I know that I had at least 12-14.

Again, I need confirmation from others if this is true or not.

[ffaacc03]

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Well I started to wonder after looking at the team stats after a 48 min game. 2K would show a total of 6-8 fastbreak points when I know that I had at least 12-14.

Again, I need confirmation from others if this is true or not.

I have had that feeling too ... of doing more FB points than what it is shown.

[elprez98]

Re: Question about steals

This might have been already answered but does anyone know if 2k fixed their steal system in regards to who is awarded with the steal? It's always been the player who picks it up instead of the player who causes the deflection. It's not the end of the world but I always found it frustrating when it wasn't ruled correctly. Thanks

Steals are attributed to the player that gains control following a lost possession from the opposing the team, who is not necessarily, the person who caused the deflection.

[neptuneniq]

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i hated how in 2k when someone deflects a pass they dont begin to streak towards the hoop, they jus stand there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzYFXb8_fTU

we need this

[jr2424]

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Steals are attributed to the player that gains control following a lost possession from the opposing the team, who is not necessarily, the person who caused the deflection.

But is that how it's supposed to be scored? I always thought the player who causes the steal gets credit in real life. Not the player who picks up the ball.

[threes_co]

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But is that how it's supposed to be scored? I always thought the player who causes the steal gets credit in real life. Not the player who picks up the ball.

No, it's not. Whoever recovers it gets the steal.

[strekedesire]

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I remember we had a discussion here on OS about this exact topic of who gets the steal recorded in the box score.

Usually it depends on who's recording it, but as far as I remember some members had concluded, after a long review, that it was the person who caused the steal who got the credit. I'll try to find the thread here and post a link for you guys.

Edit: check VDusen04's post down below!

[VDusen04]

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Steals are attributed to the player that gains control following a lost possession from the opposing the team, who is not necessarily, the person who caused the deflection.

Double Edit: Here's the link to our first discussion with a lot of references on the topic. I know a lot of us are hardwired to feel it's a foregone conclusion a steal is credited to the player who ultimately gains possession but if a scorekeeper is doing his job correctly, that would not be the case: http://www.operationsports.com/vBull...als-going.html

I'm going to go ahead and try to search for the thread (I'm horrible at searching for things) but we had a long discussion about this a few months ago. That thread had a lot of sources (FIBA, NCAA, certain high school associations, NBA) stating that a steal indeed is to be credited to the player who initiates the steal.

On that same wavelength, a player who is able to tip a missed shot to his teammate is the one who is credited with that rebound, not the player who ends up with the ball. An example, in a play where Rodney Stuckey shoots and misses a three pointer and Ben Wallace is able to tip it back out to the top of the key to Charlie Villanueva to retain possession, Ben would be the one to be credited with the offensive rebound, not Charlie.

The contention regarding the steals was, "Well, what if a ball is deflected by a defender but the offense retains possession? Does it go in the books as nothing?" In regards to the steals stat, yes, it'd count as nothing. In the case of advanced statistics, it may count as a deflection.

In summary, through my years of basketballing, I always operated under the presumption that steals were indeed credited to the initiater and it is backed by official rule books on various levels. Now, I will go ahead and search for the thread we went back and forth on a couple months ago so I can show some evidence.

Edit: Ha, StrekeDesire beat me to it.