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  • Kushmir
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 2414

    #1

    Examples of CPU Cheating...

    i thought Zoneblitz had a great topic the other day talking about how some of what the CPU does is realistic and how many of us are just SORE LOSERS

    that said, CPU Cheating has always been a part of NBA 2K. We all know its the easiest way to make the game "harder" and no one wants a game that is too easy, but I think it sticks out more this year because the game is so much harder and turnovers are really hurting alot of us. Secondly, with online play being so bad many of us are being forced to play offline to enjoy the game. I'm doing an article on CPU Cheating and i'd really like you guys to give me your examples. I'm going to be using alot of video (there's no substitute to being able to SEE foolishness--so link your uploads if you have any) so that hopefully that these "cheats" get resolved in the future. I'll also be listing what i perceive as some of the root issues and most of all? FIXES! Some of the things i've noticed:

    1) Speed Cheat - yup. still in. you still get run down by CPU defenders unless you have a ridiculous head start. culprit: maybe the CPU has a shorter or automatic acceleration time in regards to going from stand-still to full sprint. fix? DUH. the CPU reaction time when "chasing" needs to slow down.

    2. Contact Shots - the cpu shoots alot less of them. especially in the post. rarely will you get a shot in the paint up without a contact animation makign it more difficult. in three games i tracked an average of 44 contact animations in 9 minute quarters. the CPU averaged 16. culprit: again--a fast reaction time as far as shooting. we have a natural delay. fix? slow down the CPU's reaction a bit.

    3. Open Shots - the CPU converts a much higher percentage. yes--even on real player percentage. hmmm...isn't that the reason we PUT our setting on real player percentage? so players will hit the shots they do in reality? culprit: a CPU release point that is probably always PERFECT. fix? fix the false advertising. make real player percentage a reality. that or vary the CPU release point to include shots that are too-early and too-late.

    4. 50/50 Balls - The CPU not only recovers balls that are up-for-grabs at a too-high rate. it also recovers its own blocked shots, its own deflected passes and loose balls in general. culprit? this seemingly goes back to a faster reaction time and no need to find the ball, but in many instances our CPU defensive players fail to react as fast as the opposing CPU players, why? this may just be a CHEAT. fix? again--slow down the CPU reaction time. or develop an algorithm where the blocks/steals/deflections are recovered by the defending team at a consistent rate, say 7 times in 10--which i'm a fan of.

    5. Offensive Rebounds - with the current settings i played 10 games with an Elite Team (Boston) a Solid team (Milwaukee) and a Poor team (Philadelphia) to see if the offensive rebounding by the CPU changed. NO SUCH LUCK. The CPU still won the offensive rebounding battle by a large margin (averaging 10, while i had 4) the culprit? again..that GD preternatural ability to "know" where the ball is going to be and react faster than we can. fix? for years we've been asking for a slider that works.

    chime in guys, what examples have you seen?
    NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.
  • JerseySuave4
    Banned
    • Mar 2006
    • 5152

    #2
    Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

    i just dont like how the cpu can throw a full or 3/4 court pass and complete it perfectly even when i have a defender right there when there is no chance i'm completing that same pass.

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    • rolrech
      Rookie
      • Mar 2006
      • 49

      #3
      Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

      6. Fastbreaks/Touchdown Passes. I have played about 40 games so far, most of them with the magic. I played mostly on allstar and superstar and won most of the games, but there was not a single game where I had more fastbreakpoints than my oppents team.

      7. Turnovers. I haven't played a game (sample size above) where I had less turnovers than my opponent (there was one game on pro where the turnovers were equal). I'm happy with my turnovers, but the AI makes almost no mistakes and I consider myself at least a mediocre defender with on of the best defensive teams.

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      • tomzenns
        Banned
        • Oct 2009
        • 220

        #4
        Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

        I play on Sim/All-Star.
        I start at Sim settings.
        I turn clutch off in the gameplay menu.
        I kill both clutch sliders.
        I leave everything else alone.
        I still call this Sim/All-Star, even though it is "custom"
        All I do is kill the clutch.

        I have games where I have less turnovers than the cpu.
        I have games where I shoot better than the cpu.
        I have games where I out-rebound the cpu by 10+
        I have games where I win by 25+ points.

        And then there are some games where I have more turnovers.
        And then there are some games where I shoot worse than the cpu.
        And then there are some games where I get out-rebounded nasty.
        And then there are some games where I lose by 25+ points.

        Sometimes, it happens. Its a video game, play to win the game.

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        • DaTwolves21
          Banned
          • Dec 2004
          • 1895

          #5
          Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

          I don't care what anybody says, they cheat. Plain and simple. I'm playing on HOF, I just can't play on any other level. They have infinite speed where they can go full speed the whole court and my guy can't stay with them. Whatever the cpu drink at halftime for these dumb comebacks has to be great, cause no matter how many timeouts and shot I make the cpu always comesback no matter what. Honestly, I feel we are at the CPU mercy.

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          • Knickerlem
            Rookie
            • Oct 2010
            • 102

            #6
            Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

            When i'm standing alone in the post and i only need to throw a quick layup or even a dunk, my guy jumps and makes this weird dance in the air giving the cpu enough time to get back on D and block the shot.

            I tip a pass, my teamates look like dummasses looking for the ball. The cpu tips a pass, goes immediately after the ball.

            Fast break situation, i pass the ball around the court the cpu deflects it. If it's the other way around, they pass the ball to the open man, if i don't select my guy to try and deflect the pass, he just runs along with the cpu without doing absolutely nothing...

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            • poloelite
              Pro
              • Nov 2005
              • 571

              #7
              Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

              First off let me say that I love this game and it's the best simulation of basketball I have EVER played, but with that said, the computer cheats at times.

              I know it's supposed to be hard and I welcome the challenge. The only thing I have a problem with is the animations and blatant cheating.

              For instance, when a computer player beats me off the dribble and then he goes for a layup in the paint only for my defender to not respond to the jump button until after the layup goes in... WTF

              Same scenario, but now they will let me jump, but it's a slow motion block attempt that never even comes close. I wouldn't mind if thats how all attempts were, but this will be with a guy who has went after blocks ferociously all game. It's like it's predetermined for that guy to make the layup, no matter what I do.

              Another one I hate is when I find a teammate behind the defense and he gets ready to go up uncontested, only for him to slow down and the cpu defender being sucked to him causing a block or foul.

              The last one is when I drive to the hoop and right when I go to pass I get sucked into the animation where I'm dribbling for 5 seconds and it comes off my foot directly into the computer's hands.

              These things are frustrating. I want to lose games and have a huge challenge just don't move my defender out of the way artificially so you can score lol.
              "I strive to be live cause I got no choice" - CL Smooth

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              • poloelite
                Pro
                • Nov 2005
                • 571

                #8
                Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                Also, I love the computer defensive AI (when the wacky animations aren't present), but I wonder why my teammates AI is so crappy. I feel like I'm playing 1 on 5 on defense sometimes. I set to play someone tight and they will stand there and watch them shoot.
                "I strive to be live cause I got no choice" - CL Smooth

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                NBA: Cleveland Cavaliers - 2016 NBA Champions
                NFL: Cleveland Browns
                MLB: Cleveland Indians
                NCAA BB: Ohio State Buckeyes, Cleveland St. Vikings
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                • Mos1ted
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 2267

                  #9
                  Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                  I would also add that's it's equally important to pay attention to how badly the game hampers the user's ability on Superstar/HoF. Jumpshooting for example is a lot more difficult because the timing is different than on All-Star or Pro.
                  According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.

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                  • Kushmir
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 2414

                    #10
                    Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                    pretty good comments in here. could kill the clutch be the answer? hmmmm....
                    NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.

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                    • Mos1ted
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 2267

                      #11
                      Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                      Killing the clutch helps, but like the guy a few posts ago said, you still gotta deal with the animation manipulation. The ball morphing, the body morphing, your players not reacting to your commands, the exaggerated momentum moves when the law of physics doesn't warrant them in those particular situations, the fact that your guy just oh so happens to jump just a centimeter too short to perform the perfect block attempt; all of these things lead to frustration all for the sake of an added challenge. It's a cheap move in my opinion and hampers to longterm potential for this game.
                      According to my old marketing professor, satisfaction is when product performance meets or exceeds consumer expectation.

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                      • Jukeman
                        Showtime
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #12
                        Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                        Originally posted by DaTwolves21
                        I don't care what anybody says, they cheat. Plain and simple. I'm playing on HOF, I just can't play on any other level. They have infinite speed where they can go full speed the whole court and my guy can't stay with them. Whatever the cpu drink at halftime for these dumb comebacks has to be great, cause no matter how many timeouts and shot I make the cpu always comesback no matter what. Honestly, I feel we are at the CPU mercy.
                        Soooo...You rather play on a level that cheats than to play on a lower level with tweaks to suit your liking?



                        Wow

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                        • peppe
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 14

                          #13
                          Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                          I've found to get expected block animations the block skill has to be high for the player. Which is probably realistic, but is a pain in the butt when you have a height advantage. At any other moment if you hit turbo + block you guy will jump to the rafters, but when its in the contest shot area and your block is too low your guy will just slow mo the block and the shot will get through.

                          Maybe the user block slider can help with this in normal play modes?

                          I played around with Jordan's block rating a bunch in creating a legend mode and ~50 gives you good contests+block animations on jumpers. You need 80+ to block layups (can let the guy blow by you and block a layup from behind). I didn't get much higher than that, but i think 90+ you can start contesting and blocking dunks. Overall it felt more realistic the higher my block rating got as I was able to use my athleticism on both ends of the court.

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                          • Nemesis-OS
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 9

                            #14
                            Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                            Originally posted by Mos1ted
                            Killing the clutch helps, but like the guy a few posts ago said, you still gotta deal with the animation manipulation. The ball morphing, the body morphing, your players not reacting to your commands, the exaggerated momentum moves when the law of physics doesn't warrant them in those particular situations, the fact that your guy just oh so happens to jump just a centimeter too short to perform the perfect block attempt; all of these things lead to frustration all for the sake of an added challenge. It's a cheap move in my opinion and hampers to longterm potential for this game.
                            Why do we have to deal with it, though?

                            Why hasn't it been fixed yet? Its question like these that the Vets around here I'm sure will ask .

                            This is why I would applaud 2K if they took this year off to import the new generation console in.

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                            • happy_accidents3
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 132

                              #15
                              Re: Examples of CPU Cheating...

                              I think this is a known glitch but wild inbound passes, especially in close games or when the computer is starting a run. Your just trying a routine inbound pass and for some reason your player tosses it over ur pg's head into the hands of the cpu, or throws it to the other side of the court.

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