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  • takki
    Pro
    • Mar 2010
    • 643

    #1

    Don't understand basic basketball strategy

    I mean, I'm a guy, and played basketball when I was younger, so I understand the rules and such; the basic premise.

    But this game isn't nba jam, or Inside Drive. It very hard, and I need to know advanced basketball strategy to do well.

    Is there a site where they explain basketball strategy? Like where the hot zones on the court are, when to call timeouts, what different plays and defenses mean, etc.?

    I mean for football, I know the meta game well. If there is eight or more guys in the center of the field, audible to a play that goes outside or a outside pass. Stuff like that. I have no idea about this stuff for basketball.
  • BATMON
    Banned
    • Oct 2010
    • 1445

    #2
    Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

    The Pick and Roll is your friend.

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    • greenieblue
      MVP
      • Nov 2010
      • 1240

      #3
      Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

      Originally posted by takki
      I mean, I'm a guy, and played basketball when I was younger, so I understand the rules and such; the basic premise.

      But this game isn't nba jam, or Inside Drive. It very hard, and I need to know advanced basketball strategy to do well.

      Is there a site where they explain basketball strategy? Like where the hot zones on the court are, when to call timeouts, what different plays and defenses mean, etc.?

      I mean for football, I know the meta game well. If there is eight or more guys in the center of the field, audible to a play that goes outside or a outside pass. Stuff like that. I have no idea about this stuff for basketball.
      There are many different schools of thought on bb strategy. Each coach does things differently, so it's hard to make hard rules.

      A few off the top of my head:

      Phil Jackson never calls timeouts, he usually allows players to play through runs. But in general, timeouts are often used to disrupt the fictional/real concept of "momentum". So, if a team goes on a 10-0 run (or more, or less) coaches will often call timeout. Or they will call timeout to substitute players, move the ball to half-court, etc.

      Pace is a huge factor in perceived defensive value. If you walk the ball up and set up plays- thus, using the clock- your team will get credit for having a really good defense more often than not. See: Larry Brown, Nate McMillan, Scotty Skiles, etc. (Obviously, some of the teams actually do play good defense, but defense is one of the wildest concepts in all of basketball in that it is hard to measure (+/-, opponents performance, opposing team performance, etc.)

      Substitutions are usually made anywhere from 6 minutes in (6:00 on the 1st qt clock) to 10 minutes in (2:00 on the 1st qt clock). These players generally return:
      A) at the start of the 2nd
      B) anywhere from 10:00 - 4:00 in the 2nd

      Standard substitution pattern is remove at 4:00 in the 1st and re-enter at 8:00 in the 2nd (this results in the generally accepted starters minutes- 36)

      There are other factors at play-- matchups, the Larry Brown substitution (a guy gets really hot, boom! bench him), etc.

      You will also often see a guy play all of the 1st only to be subbed with less than a minute left. This is so that the player gets the "extra rest" that the final minute and break provide.

      One of the easiest shots on the court is the corner three. The most frequent shot is the mid-range jumper. The most successful shot is at the rim.

      I don't know of any sites that teach basketball strategy, but I'm sure some coaches have written books that do.

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...rank_authority

      For pure numbers (and they can be very helpful) look here:

      Hoopdata.com
      Last edited by greenieblue; 11-20-2010, 04:57 PM.
      Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
      [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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      • takki
        Pro
        • Mar 2010
        • 643

        #4
        Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

        Thanks, it was helpful.

        Just curious, why would you want to do a "larry brown", as in bench a hot player?

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        • greenieblue
          MVP
          • Nov 2010
          • 1240

          #5
          Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

          Originally posted by takki
          Thanks, it was helpful.

          Just curious, why would you want to do a "larry brown", as in bench a hot player?
          I've been trying to figure that out for years. Lol.

          Seriously, he either sticks to strict substitution patterns or he thinks that pulling a hot hand has a lasting effect on that players confidence. In other words, he thinks pulling them at that moment will have them sitting on the bench feeling good about themselves.
          Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
          [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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          • spit_bubble
            MVP
            • Nov 2004
            • 3292

            #6
            Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

            Originally posted by takki
            ...Is there a site where they explain basketball strategy?
            There's a site with good forums... I think it's called, uh... Operation Sports.

            Seriously, ask here and I'm sure you'll get some good answers. There's a lot of nonsense here, but also smart and helpful people.

            I'll start off...

            The most basic basketball strategy is to try to get a high percentage shot while on offense, and to make it tough to score while on defense. This would include getting the ball into one of your scorer's hands with the best possible look at the basket... And when on defense doing things like denying the ball, double teaming, and rebounding the ball.

            So when choosing what offense or defense to run you need to look at your team's strengths and weaknesses, as well as the same for your opponent, and then plan accordingly.

            As far as timeouts, a simple way to look at them is to use them when the other team is doing everything I mentioned above, and you're not. So it's a way to sort of regroup, and stop the other team from running away with things.
            All ties severed...

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            • WG5516
              Rookie
              • Feb 2007
              • 99

              #7
              Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

              Yo my man, youtube is your friend. I didn't know what a "Give an Go" was so I searched it on youtube and their were several videos explaining that along with other basketball techniques. Check it out fam.

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              • warrenb
                Rookie
                • Nov 2005
                • 40

                #8
                Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                Try the links below.


                Many basketball offenses are presented, including motion, dribble-drive, Flex, Read and React, Triangle, Swing, Princeton, set offenses, zone offenses and more.


                Basketball Offense: Guide to offenses and the different types to choose from


                Every week a new basketball play or drill from our collection. This is the play for week 46, 2010.


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                • Birdman
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 100

                  #9
                  Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                  Like people have said, there are different strategies. One thing that is very common though, is playing inside out. Get the ball inside try to score, but if the defense collapses, pass it out for a wide open shot.

                  You can get the ball inside by penetrating with a quick guard (off a pick n roll for example) or through the post (running the offense through Duncan/Gasol type players).
                  Get that weak stuff outta here!

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                  • youvalss
                    ******
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 16599

                    #10
                    Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                    Whatever you do, don't listen to Isiah Thomas.
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                    • BATMON
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1445

                      #11
                      Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                      Im not football expert but creating holes in the defense is what certain offensive plays do.

                      A simple screen can slow a defender allowing spacing.

                      Moving the ball around/passing can make the defense shift. Passing left to right or Inside/out also makes the defense react.

                      Like the double reverse for a running back can be copied in Basketball.

                      Or a receiver can run a set play(pattern) that will get him open for a catch.

                      The QB/PG can direct the RB/WR to certain points in the field.

                      Get the ball in the goal.

                      Running Game = Slow Offense/Half Court
                      Passing Game = Uptempo/Fullcourt/Fast break

                      Scoring Point Guards are like Running/Scoring QBs.

                      Go to Practice Mode and learn the plays of your team.
                      Some plays are really easy, others are a little more trying with many passes, cuts, and screens.

                      Running an ISO (Isolation) is a decent beginners way of playing. It breeds bad habits but if you use the ISO to clear a side, you can either take it to the hole or hopefully pass to a nearby player if their not too far away. Its like playing 21 w/ 10 dudes. Its not really team play but youll at least gain some confidence.

                      Dumping it Inside is similar but your teammates wont stand still. There will be movement.

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                      • Chairman7w
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 1490

                        #12
                        Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                        LOL!! Yeah, he was among the best at doing it, but NOT so good when it came to coaching!!

                        Originally posted by youvalss
                        Whatever you do, don't listen to Isiah Thomas.

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                        • BATMON
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1445

                          #13
                          Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                          Originally posted by Chairman7w
                          LOL!! Yeah, he was among the best at doing it, but NOT so good when it came to coaching!!
                          The 03/04 Indiana Pacers team(61-21) that Carlisle led to the EC Finals was a team that Thomas built after Larry Bird left the coaching seat.

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                          • Golds
                            Rookie
                            • May 2007
                            • 155

                            #14
                            Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                            Originally posted by greenieblue
                            There are many different schools of thought on bb strategy. Each coach does things differently, so it's hard to make hard rules.

                            A few off the top of my head:

                            Phil Jackson never calls timeouts, he usually allows players to play through runs. But in general, timeouts are often used to disrupt the fictional/real concept of "momentum". So, if a team goes on a 10-0 run (or more, or less) coaches will often call timeout. Or they will call timeout to substitute players, move the ball to half-court, etc.

                            Pace is a huge factor in perceived defensive value. If you walk the ball up and set up plays- thus, using the clock- your team will get credit for having a really good defense more often than not. See: Larry Brown, Nate McMillan, Scotty Skiles, etc. (Obviously, some of the teams actually do play good defense, but defense is one of the wildest concepts in all of basketball in that it is hard to measure (+/-, opponents performance, opposing team performance, etc.)

                            Substitutions are usually made anywhere from 6 minutes in (6:00 on the 1st qt clock) to 10 minutes in (2:00 on the 1st qt clock). These players generally return:
                            A) at the start of the 2nd
                            B) anywhere from 10:00 - 4:00 in the 2nd

                            Standard substitution pattern is remove at 4:00 in the 1st and re-enter at 8:00 in the 2nd (this results in the generally accepted starters minutes- 36)

                            There are other factors at play-- matchups, the Larry Brown substitution (a guy gets really hot, boom! bench him), etc.

                            You will also often see a guy play all of the 1st only to be subbed with less than a minute left. This is so that the player gets the "extra rest" that the final minute and break provide.

                            One of the easiest shots on the court is the corner three. The most frequent shot is the mid-range jumper. The most successful shot is at the rim.

                            I don't know of any sites that teach basketball strategy, but I'm sure some coaches have written books that do.

                            http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...rank_authority

                            For pure numbers (and they can be very helpful) look here:

                            Hoopdata.com
                            I just had to but-in for a second...The corner three is not one of the easiest shots, in fact it's one of the more difficult ones because it prevents any backboard help as well as the view/visibility can be horrible depending on stadium lighting/audience seating. The front-center three is the easiest and most targeted spot, or the elbows. Sorry, had to say it lol....Everything else you said was pretty good for the OP though, nice job.

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                            • greenieblue
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1240

                              #15
                              Re: Don't understand basic basketball strategy

                              Originally posted by Golds
                              I just had to but-in for a second...The corner three is not one of the easiest shots, in fact it's one of the more difficult ones because it prevents any backboard help as well as the view/visibility can be horrible depending on stadium lighting/audience seating. The front-center three is the easiest and most targeted spot, or the elbows. Sorry, had to say it lol....Everything else you said was pretty good for the OP though, nice job.
                              Oh, trust me, I don't mean for me. But:



                              Ask Rashard Lewis, Michael Pietrus. Those guys practically live there.

                              (Maybe the most traffic the wolves site will see all year, lol.)
                              Last edited by greenieblue; 11-22-2010, 11:52 AM.
                              Originally posted by Fabian Avenarius Lloyd
                              [...] a man of subtlety or refinement is almost always nothing but an idiot.

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