Played some 2k11 today...

[youvalss]

Quote: Originally Posted by DJ

Do you have 2K12? What do you think of 2K12 compared to the games you listed?

I do have 2K12. I love some of the features there, I think it's a top-3 2K game (with 2K11 and...well, there gotta be another good one). I just like to go back and play older games. Especially 2K7, which by the way still amazes me with its graphics.

By the way, I find myself not caring about the NBA like I used to. This is why I like playing older 2K's with older seasons/rosters.

[DJ]

Quote: Originally Posted by youvalss

I do have 2K12. I love some of the features there, I think it's a top-3 2K game (with 2K11 and...well, there gotta be another good one). I just like to go back and play older games. Especially 2K7, which by the way still amazes me with its graphics. By the way, I find myself not caring about the NBA like I used to. This is why I like playing older 2K's with older seasons/rosters.

2K7 was a great experience ... it was the reason I bought a 360. I played it for 2 years and then picked up 2K8, and while it was fun, I thought 2K7 was better. I skipped 2K9 and picked up 2K10, but didn't play it as much as Live 10. I'm still playing 2K11. 2K12 goes in stages for me ... I can play Greatest Mode a bunch but without being able to edit the generics, I don't feel like bringing those teams into Association. If the NBA season would've been canceled, I would've sold 2K12.

Once the Opening Night rosters are out, I'm sure 2K12 will get a lot of play from me.

[youvalss]

^^ Nice. The bottom line is...I don't know what I want. One day I want this game, the next day - that game... Maybe I'm pregnant...

[cdg0219]

I've flipped between 2K11 and 12 many times now. If I play 2K12, its issues make me go back to 2K11. When I realize what 2K11 lacks in comparison, I go back to 2K12. Then I quit both. The release of 2K12 made 2 games worse than I'd like. Does that make any sense?

[Vni]

Lol, sick but yeah it does make sence.

[Mos1ted]

Quote: Originally Posted by cdg0219

I've flipped between 2K11 and 12 many times now. If I play 2K12, its issues make me go back to 2K11. When I realize what 2K11 lacks in comparison, I go back to 2K12. Then I quit both. The release of 2K12 made 2 games worse than I'd like. Does that make any sense?

That's the dilemma I'm dealing with right now. I've already decided that I'm purchasing 2K11 again if the patch doesn't fix the issues I'm most concerned about in 2K12. But then I'm also worried that I will experienced issues in 2K11 that I know where fixed in 2K12 (post game, walk the ball animation, playcalling) and want to go back to 2K12 because of that. I guess my suggestion would be to prioritize which features are most important and enjoy the game that offers the majority of those features.

Personally, none of the add-ons from 2K12 really excited me. The only reason I bought 2K12 was because I thought the collision detection system would be a step up from 2K11 and the ball warping would be eliminated with the improved ball physics. Unfortunately, these "improvements" didn't really improve on what was in place in 2K11, and if anything, their attempt to improve these flaws has actually made them regress in those departments.

[Pared]

If I had a solid group of guys playing 2k11 I would still be playing it routinely. Everyone moved on or dropped the game altogether.

[blues rocker]

yeah, i've been trying to figure out what 2k's motivation was for making the changes they made in 2k12...if they were honestly attempting to make the game more realistic and just didn't have time to pull that off, then i'm ok with that...what bothers me is the thought that maybe some of the stuff they changed was done to limit the user in order to get certain stats or in order to keep the games close (like lack of contact on drives to the hoop, too many bad/contested shots going in, the existence of certain unstoppable moves, slow passing, auto-defensive control with holding left trigger, inappropriate animations which kill your scoring opportunities, delayed response on exploding out of sizeups, making my player do dribble hesitations that i didn't tell him to do, making my player automatically bite on pump fakes, etc.). when i play 2k12, i can't help but get the feeling that the game is playing me - it's forcing me to do things i don't want to do because the game is not giving me appropriate animations or good control response.

i'm sure a lot of what 2k did was just an honest attempt to improve the game, but with some of the changes i can't help but think that they were made to limit skilled gamers and to help out bad gamers (like the ability to hit too many difficult/contested shots)...rather than just giving people effective animations and letting them succeed or fail based on their actual ability. in 2k12, some actions were made less responsive and other actions were made almost automatic where the player on the screen just does things without the user's input. in 2k11 i felt that once i had mastered the game, i could succeed because i had gained skill and the game provided me with effective animations...now in 2k12 it feels like the game is holding me back with bad animations because it doesn't want me to succeed too much...or it wants to help me out when i'm down by allowing me to make bad shots...as a result, you don't really feel like your are determining the outcome, and this makes the game much less satisfying.

in 2k11, you truly determined the outcome, and the rules were clear - if you took a good shot you would score, and if you contested your opponent's shot you would make them miss...now in 2k12 the outcomes are all over the map, and it's just hard to make sense of it.