Finally figured this game out!

[Cossolotto32]

We all know this game is so cheesy and frustrating this time, and by now, I bet we have all experienced a 30-2 run or a 20 point loss to the Timberwolves. I have one word for this. Momentum. It actually plays a role this year. I advise anyone to call a timeout after the computer scores 6 points consecutively. It slows up the game and cools down the AI on offense. This goes vice versa as well. If you end up scoring 6 points straight, keep attacking! More of your shots fall when the momentum is in your direction. Sure you'll still have the cheese of the over reactive collision system, or when the defense even TOUCHES the ball it'll go flying into the cheap seats. But, the game will go in your direction. Fouls will get called your way, threes will splash and blocks will come to you a lot easier. I've moved up 2 difficulty settings since I got the hang of the tempo of teams and the game. Give me some feedback!

[OGKing]

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Funny you say that cause i just lost by 22 to the wolves, first game of 2k12 in association.

[Sovartus]

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Momentum is surely a factor as well as monitoring when a player hits more than 2 shots consecutively. If you are getting your butt handed to you by the cpu and you finally score, notice how the cpu calls a TO immediately. I believe it is to break any chances of you getting momentum in your favor. My rule is, if the cpu scores 2 to 3 times without me scoring, I need a TO. Problem arrises when you get caught up in the action when you have a big lead and look up and realize the cpu has scored 8 points in a row and has cut your lead to nothing. By then, the cpu has so much momentum, that it's like a runaway frieght train and it's hard to stop.

[Cossolotto32]

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I'm just surprised that it plays such a great factor, last year, I'm pretty sure it didn't even exist.

[I Djm]

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how does this apply to my player. every game ends up the same way we go down early fight back i get subbed out then come back in and we are getting blown out. this happens EVERY GAME no matter who the team is

[thugnificant]

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momentum should be determined by how a player plays not a coded mechanic thats random activated

[OGKing]

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momentum should be determined by how a player plays not a coded mechanic thats random activated

It is determined that way..

Example..

Second game of the season, Celtics vs Atlanta, Joe Johnson hit a couple of shots, we had momentum our way, went on a 12-2 run. Celtics make a couple of shots, they have some momentum, went on a 6-0 run.

[Cossolotto32]

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And that's REAL basketball. It's a game of runs. I think it's a great feature. And yes, it does apply to my player mode! You have to get your whole team involved not just your player because once you get subbed out, the rest of your team is iced offensively

[Sundown]

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And that's REAL basketball. It's a game of runs. I think it's a great feature. And yes, it does apply to my player mode! You have to get your whole team involved not just your player because once you get subbed out, the rest of your team is iced offensively

Momentum did exist last year, as well as every year as far as I can remember since 2k8. It's always been somewhat heavy handed and just seems especially worse this year. Basketball allows for runs but it's not this extreme, scripted, or predictable. I like that timeouts and tempo kill momentum, but the momentum play is so pronounced and exaggerated this year you feel like you're gaming the momentum system rather than playing against the players on court.

My theory for the 3rd quarter runs is that the CPU gets an automatic momentum boost and you a momentum nerf out of the half. How both teams play before and after the halftime break is pretty consistent. Again, artificial.

[OGKing]

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Momentum did exist last year, as well as every year as far as I can remember since 2k8. It's always been somewhat heavy handed and just seems especially worse this year. Basketball allows for runs but it's not this extreme, scripted, or predictable. I like that timeouts and tempo kill momentum, but the momentum play is so pronounced and exaggerated this year you feel like you're gaming the momentum system rather than playing against the players on court.

My theory for the 3rd quarter runs is that the CPU gets an automatic momentum boost and you a momentum nerf out of the half. How both teams play before and after the halftime break is pretty consistent. Again, artificial.

Your problem. Turn off Clutch Factor.

[Sundown]

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Your problem. Turn off Clutch Factor.

Still happens, especially on All-Star and above.

[Cossolotto32]

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But, it's how you play against the momentum. Calling time outs, fouling at the right times. Free throw shooting, anything you do to slow down the tempo of the game. And that itself, is a good skill to practice. I think it's fun to work against it. It's something else to play against. But, you tell me that you don't feel like it's pretty fun yourself to go on a 30-2 run against the AI?

[OGKing]

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Still happens, especially on All-Star and above.

I've yet to have that happen. Atlanta vs Celtics, i have a 20 point lead in the third quarter, on superstar, they go on little spurts, but i know when to slow the pace down and call a timeout, and their offense eventually cools down.

[Sundown]

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But, it's how you play against the momentum. Calling time outs, fouling at the right times. Free throw shooting, anything you do to slow down the tempo of the game. And that itself, is a good skill to practice. I think it's fun to work against it. It's something else to play against. But, you tell me that you don't feel like it's pretty fun yourself to go on a 30-2 run against the AI?

I've gone on an extended winning run once. Usually the game's pretty close. Yes, that's fun, but the opposite usually happens. And when I'm on the run, there's a nagging feeling that I'm winning only because of the same simplistic, artificial mechanic I usually lose by. 2K11 had this, and it was also artificial, but because it wasn't as ridiculous and unsurmountable it could go back and forth and was actually somewhat enjoyable. 2K12 just has you fall off a steep hill if either team allows for a major run and it's much more difficult to come back by starting one yourself. The CPU gets to because of the scripted boost. That's not really NBA.

I don't actually enjoy knowing the artificial momentum will kick in in full force if I happen to miss a few shots and lapse on defense for a possession or two, or if it's the 3rd quarter, and my players will start moving slow, make bad decisions, blow wide open shots and layups and the AI will start a block fest. It's simply too artificial and pronounced to be believable or enjoyable. I think there should be momentum and it should be nuanced. It shouldn't be a switch that makes everyone on my team, from superstar to scrub, automatically lose their minds. Like I said, I feel more like I'm gaming the system than the collection of players on the court.

The momentum also punishes you for shooting slumps and you simply can't shoot your way out of it like Ray Allen recommends. Even if you work for the easy shot or layup with your star player like you're supposed to to end the slump, it continues to punish you with incredulous misses instead of rewarding you. You miss shots you need to make and should make just because you're down. That breaks believability, fun, and immersion for me. Tone this down, make it more nuanced so it isn't a heavy teamwide nerf, make it affect harder shots with less effect on easy shots, and minimal effect on gimmie shots, and we have a game.

[Sundown]

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I've yet to have that happen. Atlanta vs Celtics, i have a 20 point lead in the third quarter, on superstar, they go on little spurts, but i know when to slow the pace down and call a timeout, and their offense eventually cools down.

It does happen, but I guess you're reducing it by your many timeouts and the fact that you're good enough to beat them by 20 in the first place. I'm not as good and it's usually close at the half, and maybe I don't call timeouts quite enough. Still, my point is the "if 3rd quarter, CPU gets boost" logic is silly in the first place. The team should not feel completely different and start making shots coming out of the half just because the AI says so, and I shouldn't have to call a timeout just because they usually score a couple of buckets right out of the half every game and my players usually miss a few because they're artificially cooled down. Sure I guess there are solutions, but again, it feels like you're forcibly gaming the script and I would like it to be more natural and organic.

There are coaches that let the players play through runs in the NBA. You just cannot do this in 2K.