Sim vs Cheese - Lets debate

[ManiacMatt1782]

Quote: Originally Posted by AdamBa17

Very interesting debate, I have a lot to say but too tired too atm lol. But I will say, running plays all the time isnt sim. And taking all open shots/chances isn't cheese. It's a mix of the two. It all comes down to DEFENCE. If players in the real NBA were left open every possession from downtown, BELIEVE ME, they WOULD take 50 three pointers a game. They WOULD. The only reason they dont is because the D doesnt allow them easy shots. And if they could DUNK every possession in real life, you think they wouldnt do it because it isnt SIM? Reality doesnt give a damn about sim. It cares about scoring ANYHOW. Id love to see in real life a player dunking the ball 2 possessions in a row and then the third time theres a wide open lane and then he just says "ah, thats cheese, I cant take that lane" and then backing out and passing off to set up a play. The sad reality about the above joke is that some people are really playing like that. It's a long topic that im only touching the tip of the iceberg of, but still. Ps. I am not a cheeser and I despise them. I am SIM, but I'm the REAL SIM, not the imaginary sim that some people are (which is THEIR VERSION of what they THINK sim is)

Will the real SIM Shady please stand up.

J/K cheesy joke I couldn't pass up, I agree with you though.

[AdamBa17]

Lol sorry I came off like a right arrogant *** like "I KNOW ABOUT SIM AND YOU DONT HAHA"

I dont mean that, but I do think a lot of people think they know what sim is but theyre still operating under some made up rules.

[NYdreams]

well let me be the first to say.. im not real sim player and i dont want to be one lol... the only plays i run is defensive plays.. why should i run offense plays all the time ? i mean i never really tried it but it seems slower running it to me... seriously... i just give the ball to whoever open and hope for the best.. i dont see how thats cheese ... if i gotta man open for a wide open 3 imma shoot it i dont care how many times im open .. ty lawson shot 10 threes against the twolves is that not real ?? thats not cheese to me if your open... real cheese is getting someone like carmelo and posting up every single play throughout the whole game and score ... knowing you cant really shoot with him but score on post ups that almost impossible to guard...

[rockchisler]

Quote: Originally Posted by NYdreams

well let me be the first to say.. im not real sim player and i dont want to be one lol... the only plays i run is defensive plays.. why should i run offense plays all the time ? i mean i never really tried it but it seems slower running it to me... seriously... i just give the ball to whoever open and hope for the best.. i dont see how thats cheese ... if i gotta man open for a wide open 3 imma shoot it i dont care how many times im open .. ty lawson shot 10 threes against the twolves is that not real ?? thats not cheese to me if your open... real cheese is getting someone like carmelo and posting up every single play throughout the whole game and score ... knowing you cant really shoot with him but score on post ups that almost impossible to guard...

U can freestyle and not run offensive plays all game and still not be cheesing, to me cheese is running your player into someone over and over till u make your way to the hoop, no consequence in loss of dribble or foul or playing one man full court press and player doesn't get tired and does not foul, those are easy fixes in 2k from developers stand point but they have not addressed it yet.

[iceberg760]

Played a handful of league games over the weekend that had me questioning my Faith in humanity....

1) the basketball court is 94ft -- i played as the Jazz/my oponent has the Heat..1st qtr dude takes 3 charges before i reach the 3pt line (mind you, i was jogging up court with the rock/no turbo)..i ask the kid "is this how you really play??"....he says it's not cheese/my response is "cool, you can take a charge but shouldnt it be in the painted area and not @ halfcourt"...i'm thinking dude has the better team on paper/why not beat me with stick skills and not some exploit of the game..i call that Cheese..

2) reach, reach, reach....played a guy that had me in the bonus midway through each qtr...no complaints here but i'm like dude--do you really have to impede me running a play by constantly trying to steal the ball....his response "you gotta guard the ball" ~~ lol...i'm thinking the last time i noticed a guard back down to the 3pt line is Magic Johnson in the early 90's...lol...

truely, i will take a loss, a butt whopping with the rest of em -- but Best me with Sticks~not some BS mumbo jumbo---i have no problem with the paint pounders/they have no clue how to guard the midrange...i luv the 3pt Clinic kats/lemme see you stick it over & over with a hand in your face....play as your team plays--fast paced, slowed down~~but Cheese is Cheese..you know it & I know it...

[Knighttime24]

Quote: Originally Posted by iceberg760

Played a handful of league games over the weekend that had me questioning my Faith in humanity.... 1) the basketball court is 94ft -- i played as the Jazz/my oponent has the Heat..1st qtr dude takes 3 charges before i reach the 3pt line (mind you, i was jogging up court with the rock/no turbo)..i ask the kid "is this how you really play??"....he says it's not cheese/my response is "cool, you can take a charge but shouldnt it be in the painted area and not @ halfcourt"...i'm thinking dude has the better team on paper/why not beat me with stick skills and not some exploit of the game..i call that Cheese.. 2) reach, reach, reach....played a guy that had me in the bonus midway through each qtr...no complaints here but i'm like dude--do you really have to impede me running a play by constantly trying to steal the ball....his response "you gotta guard the ball" ~~ lol...i'm thinking the last time i noticed a guard back down to the 3pt line is Magic Johnson in the early 90's...lol... truely, i will take a loss, a butt whopping with the rest of em -- but Best me with Sticks~not some BS mumbo jumbo---i have no problem with the paint pounders/they have no clue how to guard the midrange...i luv the 3pt Clinic kats/lemme see you stick it over & over with a hand in your face....play as your team plays--fast paced, slowed down~~but Cheese is Cheese..you know it & I know it...

1) That really does suck. I hope that I never encounter that issue.

2) Why do you consider the excessive reaching to be cheese?? Your opponent kept sending you to the free throw line. Doesn't sound like much of an exploit to me.

Y'all go overboard with looking for "cheese" sometimes. There are certain things like 2k11's spin dunk that should definitely be considered exploits because they are nearly unstoppable. However, a player is not necessarily an exploiter because they do not play "sim basketball".

[P Shirls]

Well I'm no Sim Nazi.....but ONBall Defense is a prerequisite to being considered as such....put it this way...tell random people who play the game that offball d is soft and you will either get some who agree or people defending it.....try telling random people that onball defense is soft you will get the or the face

[oaba09]

I don't like cheese players but I don't like people dictating how others should play either. If you played against someone who cheeses a lot, just remember his username and don't play with him again. If a cheeser enjoys playing the game that way then let him be. He paid for the game, let him play the way he wants to.