NBA 2K11 was better?

[jcern23]

Have we come to the conclusion that NBA 2K11 was better than 12? I have been dying to play some 2K I never made the move on 12 and when I read about the double team issue I really lost interest. Has this issue been fixed? Is it as bad as it sounds on these threads? I am just trying to debate whether or not to go through and update rosters on 11 or purchase 12 any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

[engrishbwudd]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

Unfortunately the computer still lacks the ability to double team when appropriate. The gameplay is usually pretty smooth and there are certainly some beautiful moments regarding the animations but it's not always consistent. One game it'll make you drool and the next you'll have a rage stroke. It's certainly something that you need to get your hands on to formulate your own opinion on because there's so much going on that it's difficult to surmise with a single post.

[KSOR24]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

Personally I like 2K11 better. It has just as much cheese but 2K12 is the most frustrating game I have ever played. The only thing I like about 2K12 is the fluidity of the animations and the post controls. It is very bugged and annoying things like dribbling off your own teammate or having a blocking foul called on you for forcing a backcourt violation grinds my gears. With association or regular games sometimes the game plays very smoothly and sometimes it's an absolute disaster. To me My Player is the most unplayable. I recommend you either try the game out first or try and find it for a good deal because it is definitely not worth $60. If you mostly play with Legends then go ahead and buy the game. I know a lot of people may disagree with me but whatever, I'm just being completely honest. I can't play the game without wanting to smash my controller.

[jcern23]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

Thanks for the opinions guys. This really surprises me out of 2k this year as they usually go no where but forward. I guess I really wish they didnt stop the roster updates for 2k11 and it would be a no brainer. I have thought aabout just not exploiting a matchup to avoid that no double team but shoot thats what the NBA is all about. Hmmmm still dont know but appreciate the thoughts fellas

[jersez]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

Besides the double teams, 2k12 is better than 2k11 imo. Out of the box 2k11 is the better game. But with the ratings, tendencies and slider adjusted(Get a roster and slider from 2k share basically). This game is very realistic. This game is sooo much deeper than 2k11, I mean isomotion, the post game, on-ball defense,the play-calling system,shot blocking and rebounding. Both games have their own issues. But they still have similar issues like psychic defense, passing, sliding and teammates A.i. If you want a easier game I would stick with 2k11, easier as in scoring, defending and just an easier cpu. 2k12 is a hard game, it's harder to drive, score and defend. But once you learn how to truly play this game it's very entertaining. But you will have to spend a lot of time in practice mode before jumping into high difficulty games(superstar and hall of fame) agansit the cpu.

Now why the community doesn't like 2k12 idk. 2k12 has it's issues but so did 2k11, I didn't like 2k12 after the second month and thought I knew how to play. Once I downloaded the sim world roster and sliders. The game played great. But when I learned how to drive and defend the game became less frustrating and I enjoyed myself.

My thinking is because 2k doesn't really hold your hand in 2k12 and expects you to figure certain things out, I think that may be a reason. But one thing I learned about this forum everyone here isn't a sim-head or that good at the game. So I wouldn't take some of these posts too seriously.

[sirjam]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

I get frustrated with the rosters they release. One roster the game plays great, the next update an it plays like crap. But I like that they add different animations with their updates, so I'm forced to play with them.

[jcern23]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

Besides the double teams, 2k12 is better than 2k11 imo. Out of the box 2k11 is the better game. But with the ratings, tendencies and slider adjusted(Get a roster and slider from 2k share basically). This game is very realistic. This game is sooo much deeper than 2k11, I mean isomotion, the post game, on-ball defense,the play-calling system,shot blocking and rebounding. Both games have their own issues. But they still have similar issues like psychic defense, passing, sliding and teammates A.i. If you want a easier game I would stick with 2k11, easier as in scoring, defending and just an easier cpu. 2k12 is a hard game, it's harder to drive, score and defend. But once you learn how to truly play this game it's very entertaining. But you will have to spend a lot of time in practice mode before jumping into high difficulty games(superstar and hall of fame) agansit the cpu.

Now why the community doesn't like 2k12 idk. 2k12 has it's issues but so did 2k11, I didn't like 2k12 after the second month and thought I knew how to play. Once I downloaded the sim world roster and sliders. The game played great. But when I learned how to drive and defend the game became less frustrating and I enjoyed myself.

My thinking is because 2k doesn't really hold your hand in 2k12 and expects you to figure certain things out, I think that may be a reason. But one thing I learned about this forum everyone here isn't a sim-head or that good at the game. So I wouldn't take some of these posts too seriously.

See now this post makes me want to grab 12! I remember having trouble dialing in with sliders between all star and superstar on 11 as well how does the difficulty on 12 compare to on 11 where once you got above all star you would basically see the CPU cheated you.

[DoWork]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

2k12 isn't worth buying especially at this point. You're better off just waiting 3 1/2 months and buying 2k13 which will be much better than 2k12 which was rushed to market and never finished properly. No rosters or sliders are gonna fix all the issues with the gameplay. Do yourself a favor and just wait for 2k13.

[jersez]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

No roster or slider fixed all of 2k11 issues. If you are expecting a game to be perfect without any issues, then you probably shouldn't be playing video games at all. I'm going to list all of 2k12 problems.

1. Lack of contact on higher difficulties, I don't see the contact problem on the lower settings. IYou can use custom sliders to get more contact.

2. Cpu runs, some say scripted runs this is where the cpu makes an abnormal ammount of shots and contested shots, same thing in 2k11. But I haven't had a cpu comeback in a long time. Especially since I've improved as a 2k player. Also the contested shots can be made on your part as well, and contested shots going in is just apart of basketball. Turn down consistency and on-ball defense if you don't like the results.

3. Up and Unders- Some say this move is unstoppable, and that it's cheese.
With the hands up feature and crowding the offensive player as he does this move will decrease the chance of this shot going in. It's a easy shot to defend imo.

4. It's hard to drive. this is true, but when you achieve isomotion(aka master isomotion) you'll be able to get past the cpu defender on any level. Go check out Ironworks size up threads. I also did a thread of my own on Hall of Fame but of course nobody cared lol

5. Defending- defending should never be easy, on-ball defense is hard but it's possible and better than off-ball defense. Check Da_Czar on ball defense video out. Also turn the defensive assist up if you need to.

That's about all I can think off that I see around here. Is there gameplay problems of course, but 2k11 had these same issues with the exception of up and under. If your a big online gamer then you probably shouldn't buy 2k12, because the lag and there are just numerous mistakes with the online area of the game(same thing with 2k11). But offline this game is amazing. Fyi I play on the default simulation sliders now. I just checked my settings and it seems that the rosters have made a big difference. I'm using the sim-world-roster playoff edition. I'm playing on superstar.

[jersez]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

See now this post makes me want to grab 12! I remember having trouble dialing in with sliders between all star and superstar on 11 as well how does the difficulty on 12 compare to on 11 where once you got above all star you would basically see the CPU cheated you.

Pretty much but that's how it was on 2k11. Like I said early there is no hand holding on 2k12. All-star is probably the level where you get a really competitive game without having to really run plays all the time. On the higher levels, you pretty much have to continue to make adjustments. Run plays all the time and try to control the tempo.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

2k12 is only good if you play it with custom settings and rosters. Sucks if you only play My Player though, because none of the changes will carry over and you're stuck with the terrible settings that 2k concocted.

[sirjam]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

[QUOTE=jersez;2043772771]No roster or slider fixed all of 2k11 issues. If you are expecting a game to be perfect without any issues, then you probably shouldn't be playing video games at all. I'm going to list all of 2k12 problems.

1. Lack of contact on higher difficulties, I don't see the contact problem on the lower settings. IYou can use custom sliders to get more contact.

Can you elaborate on the contact on lower difficulties? See Im a prisoner of always playing on the highest level, so I'm a little out of my element on this. Thanks

[jersez]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

[quote=sirjam;2043772797]

No roster or slider fixed all of 2k11 issues. If you are expecting a game to be perfect without any issues, then you probably shouldn't be playing video games at all. I'm going to list all of 2k12 problems.

1. Lack of contact on higher difficulties, I don't see the contact problem on the lower settings. I You can use custom sliders to get more contact.

Can you elaborate on the contact on lower difficulties? See Im a prisoner of always playing on the highest level, so I'm a little out of my element on this. Thanks

If you go back and look play the 2k12 demo, I see a lot more contact and less force field pushing from the cpu, the demo was on pro. If you think about difficulty level, they have to adjust certain aspects of the game, to make it that difficulty level. Simpler words more cheating. Lol the AI isn't drastically improved like it's believed to be. It's more of an illusion.

So when we play on hall of fame they basically "fix" the gameplay to make the cpu harder. So less contact, more shot making and more turnovers. Pro is probably the best difficulty. Because that's the difficulty that is the most balance with no "extra stuff" given to the cpu or taken away from the user.

But that's like any game, play call of duty on veteran. The cpu isn't smarter, the game has to make the cpu deadly accurate. The AI is the same, the cpu still doesn't take cover or run up on you. So it's not just 2k, every game does this.

It sounds confusing but go listen to Da_Czar radio show on roster and tendencies and go to the 49 second mark. If you couldn't understand what I'm saying.

[sirjam]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

No roster or slider fixed all of 2k11 issues. If you are expecting a game to be perfect without any issues, then you probably shouldn't be playing video games at all. I'm going to list all of 2k12 problems.

1. Lack of contact on higher difficulties, I don't see the contact problem on the lower settings. IYou can use custom sliders to get more contact.

2. Cpu runs, some say scripted runs this is where the cpu makes an abnormal ammount of shots and contested shots, same thing in 2k11. But I haven't had a cpu comeback in a long time. Especially since I've improved as a 2k player. Also the contested shots can be made on your part as well, and contested shots going in is just apart of basketball. Turn down consistency and on-ball defense if you don't like the results.

3. Up and Unders- Some say this move is unstoppable, and that it's cheese.
With the hands up feature and crowding the offensive player as he does this move will decrease the chance of this shot going in. It's a easy shot to defend imo.

4. It's hard to drive. this is true, but when you achieve isomotion(aka master isomotion) you'll be able to get past the cpu defender on any level. Go check out Ironworks size up threads. I also did a thread of my own on Hall of Fame but of course nobody cared lol

5. Defending- defending should never be easy, on-ball defense is hard but it's possible and better than off-ball defense. Check Da_Czar on ball defense video out. Also turn the defensive assist up if you need to.

That's about all I can think off that I see around here. Is there gameplay problems of course, but 2k11 had these same issues with the exception of up and under. If your a big online gamer then you probably shouldn't buy 2k12, because the lag and there are just numerous mistakes with the online area of the game(same thing with 2k11). But offline this game is amazing. Fyi I play on the default simulation sliders now. I just checked my settings and it seems that the rosters have made a big difference. I'm using the sim-world-roster playoff edition. I'm playing on superstar.

[QUOTE=jersez;2043772865]

If you go back and look play the 2k12 demo, I see a lot more contact and less force field pushing from the cpu, the demo was on pro. If you think about difficulty level, they have to adjust certain aspects of the game, to make it that difficulty level. Simpler words more cheating. Lol the AI isn't drastically improved like it's believed to be. It's more of an illusion.

So when we play on hall of fame they basically "fix" the gameplay to make the cpu harder. So less contact, more shot making and more turnovers. Pro is probably the best difficulty. Because that's the difficulty that is the most balance with no "extra stuff" given to the cpu or taken away from the user.

But that's like any game, play call of duty on veteran. The cpu isn't smarter, the game has to make the cpu deadly accurate. The AI is the same, the cpu still doesn't take cover or run up on you. So it's not just 2k, every game does this.

It sounds confusing but go listen to Da_Czar radio show on roster and tendencies and go to the 49 second mark. If you couldn't understand what I'm saying.

Def makes sense. However do you feel its easier to score aka nt a challenge on pro? An also do you happen to have a link to the czar show? Thanks man

[jersez]

Re: NBA 2K11 was better?

[quote=sirjam;2043772977]

Def makes sense. However do you feel its easier to score aka nt a challenge on pro? An also do you happen to have a link to the czar show? Thanks man

It is and you can try all-star I play on that from time to time. It's challenging but it maintains a certain level of balance. The show name is actually called play's playbook and play system. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/daczar/...nd-play-system and seek to the 48:45 second mark.