Is the NBA 2K Insider a joke?

**vtcrb** · 09-02-2012, 03:06 PM

Re: Is the NBA 2K Insider a joke?

Originally posted by LD2k

No. And yes, there is ONE person who truly IS the 2K Insider.

So ONE person does the Attributes, Abilities, Tendencies and Hot Spots. Does he/she Also do the Coaching Profiles?

**liberaluser** · 09-02-2012, 03:12 PM

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So was the bald dude with the lisp really the 2K Insider LD2K? If so, that narrows it down considerably.

**NYCD@Future** · 09-02-2012, 06:10 PM

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They had rubio 3pt rating at 1 point at 87 and kobe mid range at 78 at one point right? Answers the question ha..

**sword1986** · 09-02-2012, 06:38 PM

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**2_headedmonster** · 09-02-2012, 07:18 PM

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at this point 2k are the parents perpetuating the Santa Clause myth...

**domidomdomz** · 09-02-2012, 07:20 PM

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I don't care if that's one person or one group as long as the 2K Insider gets his job done. At least, assign non-generic shoes to most of the role players.

**Gatorfan Frank** · 09-02-2012, 07:56 PM

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It just seems like too much information for one guy to keep track of. Take the hotspots for example. Half the players don't even have them on 2K12, and the other half with hotspots are questionable.

Somehow Durant had no hotspots in close or midrange. Tony Parker is has cold spots in his real-life sweet spots.

Hopefully the "Insider" has access to advanced stats such as visual analytics for player shots.

Courtvisionanalytics.com is a really good website with tons of real-life hot and cold spots. There's also a good article on the highest percentage shooters on different areas of the court. I'm sure there are a lot of other resources the 2K team can turn to, so there's really no excuse for half to players to not have hot and cold spots.

**youALREADYknow** · 09-02-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gatorfan Frank

It just seems like too much information for one guy to keep track of. Take the hotspots for example. Half the players don't even have them on 2K12, and the other half with hotspots are questionable.

Somehow Durant had no hotspots in close or midrange. Tony Parker is has cold spots in his real-life sweet spots.

Hopefully the "Insider" has access to advanced stats such as visual analytics for player shots.

Courtvisionanalytics.com is a really good website with tons of real-life hot and cold spots. There's also a good article on the highest percentage shooters on different areas of the court. I'm sure there are a lot of other resources the 2K team can turn to, so there's really no excuse for half to players to not have hot and cold spots.

Anyone with that role/responsibility shouldn't be manually editing this anyways. Video game development is software development. Ratings, tendencies, etc. are based upon data. Data that should be stored in a proprietary data model in a relational database.

This means that there's no excuse for attributes, tendencies, hot spots, and hot zones to be defined by any different process than the ones used by analysts like Kirk Goldsberry (one of my favs BTW). There are open source libraries out there right now to pull in every box score from the NBA into a relational database within the same business day.

Again, one FTE is not the limitation here. Having the right process in place so that the person is not making subjective decisions unless absolutely necessary is the most important thing.

**MarvinOida** · 09-02-2012, 10:46 PM

If the insider does Ratings, Tendencies, Animations, and Gear, then he is pretty lazy. Personally, it should evolve to a teams, ratings, animations, tendencies, gear and the other things like Playbooks, Coach Profiles, Players Looks. They also be divided it should be Gameplay Team (The Player Ratings, Coachs Profiles, etc.) and the Art Team (Gear, Animations, Dynamic Player looks, etc.)

**fang** · 09-02-2012, 11:53 PM

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He's the Insider 2K deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

**JerzeyReign** · 09-03-2012, 07:05 AM

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Its funny that guys say the 2k Insider sucks when 99% of the rosters floating out there are just TWEAKS of his/her/their work. Tweaking his work is not creating your own stuff. If you are setting EVERY player in the league down to '0' and doing your ratings/tendencies, well, yeah maybe you can have a day in court if you have thousands of people saying your work is superior to the Insider's rosters. But if you're just tweaking the Insider's base -- c'mon now....

**spankdatazz22** · 09-03-2012, 07:42 AM

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I'd agree, I don't think the Insider process does as horrible a job as many on the board insinuate. Last year when the lockout immediately ended 2K put out numerous updates weekly as rookies signed for almost a month, which was unnecessary but a nod to the "hardcore" community. And they were mostly consistent with putting out updates weekly during the season. I play with the Insider roster in Association and I enjoy the game offline.

Could the ratings be more precise? Yes. Could they do a better job with shoes/accessories? Hell yes. But imo it's not like they're doing the completely horrible job with the rosters some here say they are

**SteboSSK** · 09-03-2012, 08:28 AM

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Rashidi is the real 2k insider with some pretty good xbox rosters...his twitter is @Real2kinsider

**slimm44** · 09-03-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by youALREADYknow

Anyone with that role/responsibility shouldn't be manually editing this anyways. Video game development is software development. Ratings, tendencies, etc. are based upon data. Data that should be stored in a proprietary data model in a relational database.

This means that there's no excuse for attributes, tendencies, hot spots, and hot zones to be defined by any different process than the ones used by analysts like Kirk Goldsberry (one of my favs BTW). There are open source libraries out there right now to pull in every box score from the NBA into a relational database within the same business day.

Again, one FTE is not the limitation here. Having the right process in place so that the person is not making subjective decisions unless absolutely necessary is the most important thing.

I essentially sent this same post (in different terms) to LD2K yesterday in a PM. I haven't heard back yet. Maybe his inbox was full? Hopefully he responds to this. There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be able to get accurate rosters that are update weekly without anybody needing to touch them. Complete automation.

**sword1986** · 09-03-2012, 11:16 AM

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I decided to play a game yesterday with no tweaking of the sliders, the way 2K wants me to play on their terms.

Default Rosters. Nets (me) vs Warriors (CPU).

All Star difficulty

Simulation style sliders
Clutch Factor On
Shot Stick Timing
Real Player Free Throw %.

It was a great game, I made a little comeback in the 2nd quarter late and had control and ending up winning the game 134-127.

Can that be because the ratings of every player are wrong or is it the sliders 2K made for Simulation. Lets be real, the scores for that game are mad high. I usually use Da Czar's slider setting (Simulation with tweaks to the Midrange and 3PT, bringing them down from 50 to 47) but still I feel that isn't really a factor because I will destroy the CPU. The Clutch Factor doesn't even help them out.

Is the NBA 2K Insider a joke?

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