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  • EasyOnTheIcePlease
    Rookie
    • Nov 2012
    • 59

    #1

    Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

    This question is for those who had a chance to play 2K13 when the shooting was tuned in a way that wide open looks clanked a lot.

    Now that we have shooting sliders back to their OG setting, which one do you like more? Nearly every shot, including contested ones, falling. Or having to work hard for a shot, and sometimes still missing wide open looks?

    Unfortunately, there is no middle ground. With the previous tuning update, the game became a little linear, as 3 chuckers, and erratic players were extremely unsuccessful on the perimeter, so they had to resort to strictly paint abusing. It was a much more pleasurable experience defensively though. The only disappointment, is that the earned open looks, didn't fall often.

    As it stands now, your players will hit their open shots at a pretty high rate, but on the opposite end of that, user players are nailing three pointers at a pretty high clip as well, mostly of the contested sort. I embrace the concept of some shots that I figure to be ill-advised will swish occasionally, but the current setup is too consistent with craziness.

    This game is heavily geared towards the offensive player, and with the new isomotion setup, guys are getting bailed out, it doesn't take more than a dribble to the opposite direction sometimes, to completely free yourself from a defender, regardless of the ballhandler, and then hoist up 3 that will fall. I'm sure this might get labeled as a complaint post, but I just wanted to see some thoughts about this.

    2KSports is going to need to implement a more dynamic matchmaking system, we need one in which we can search for certain settings, such as slider set, quarter length, difficulty, opponent preference, etc.
  • AllStarDaDon
    Pro
    • Dec 2010
    • 932

    #2
    Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

    Shooting is fine and was always fine.

    Everyone should be working for their looks. I don't mind when I miss wideeee open shots. It's basketball wide open shots are missed every night in the NBA.
    I also don't mind when players hit tough, contested shots. Guys hit tough, ridiculous contested shots every night in the NBA.

    It's a make or miss league, you either make the shot or miss it.
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    • michael785
      Rookie
      • Sep 2012
      • 72

      #3
      Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

      Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
      Shooting is fine and was always fine.

      Everyone should be working for their looks. I don't mind when I miss wideeee open shots. It's basketball wide open shots are missed every night in the NBA.
      I also don't mind when players hit tough, contested shots. Guys hit tough, ridiculous contested shots every night in the NBA.

      It's a make or miss league, you either make the shot or miss it.
      u are exactly right. that's the way i have always looked at it. Its a game people just have fun with it.

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      • Sundown
        MVP
        • Oct 2010
        • 3270

        #4
        Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
        Shooting is fine and was always fine.
        Was it fine when contested, off dribble threes went in too easily or was it fine after the adjustment where open looks were usually misses?

        This is online for what it's worth.

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        • LoudMouthHoops
          Banned
          • Dec 2012
          • 207

          #5
          Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

          The problem is that the settings change effected MUCH MORE than just SHOOTING....

          All everyone wants to talk about is how the settings effected 3-pt shooting, but the FACT is they effected MUCH more.

          I think so many people play such a arcade style of simply launching 3's that the ONLY thing they noticed that changed was the 3's....because that's all they really do.

          So much more changed with the settings change and the reset back to the old settings is a serious step BACK for 2K.

          The more difficult settings really displayed how GREAT this game can be...but the 3-pt shooting was nerfed a little too much.

          So instead of fixing just that....they reset the settings back to the old levels that turn this game into an NBA Jam-style cheeserfest of nonsense.

          These settings quickly display all the FAULTS this game has because of how simple it is to BREAK the game at these LOW difficulty levels.


          Besides the low 3-pt rate, the game was MUCH better at the increased difficulty settings.

          And even the 3's were nowhere near as "impossible" as many people made them out to be...most people just didn't even TRY to adjust to the change - they just cried and complained.

          Which is now the audience 2K apparently is aiming for....younger, casual, immature gamers who want to play NBA 2K at 1000 MPH like it's Call of Duty or NBA Jam.....

          Blah!

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          • EasyOnTheIcePlease
            Rookie
            • Nov 2012
            • 59

            #6
            Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

            I feel like I've had to relearn how to play defense ever since the revert to the old settings. You're right, it is deeper than just 3 pointers, the margin for error on defense has gotten even smaller.

            I just recently noticed that with the revert, most of my controller settings were switched back to default as well. After a transition play in which it felt like my player was being controlled by someone else, I went to check and I saw that all my "Absolute" settings were back at "Camera Relative". The switch back has thus made defending a tad smoother, but the extremely small window for mishaps remains.

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            • Vni
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2011
              • 14833

              #7
              Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

              Originally posted by Sundown
              Was it fine when contested, off dribble threes went in too easily or was it fine after the adjustment where open looks were usually misses?

              This is online for what it's worth.
              What game mode are you talking about?

              I've never experienced that in Hof simulation.

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              • EasyOnTheIcePlease
                Rookie
                • Nov 2012
                • 59

                #8
                Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                Originally posted by AllStarDaDon
                Shooting is fine and was always fine.

                Everyone should be working for their looks. I don't mind when I miss wideeee open shots. It's basketball wide open shots are missed every night in the NBA.
                I also don't mind when players hit tough, contested shots. Guys hit tough, ridiculous contested shots every night in the NBA.

                It's a make or miss league, you either make the shot or miss it.
                As far as online gameplay is concerned, the shooting was never fine. The shooting, with a bevy of other logical concepts employed were never fine, and currently aren't.

                Chaotic, erratic players still get bailed out after bad possessions.

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                • Vni
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 14833

                  #9
                  Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                  Originally posted by EasyOnTheIcePlease
                  As far as online gameplay is concerned, the shooting was never fine. The shooting, with a bevy of other logical concepts employed were never fine, and currently aren't.

                  Chaotic, erratic players still get bailed out after bad possessions.
                  You're playing the wrong game mode, on the wrong settings against the wrong people, probably.

                  Am tired to say this, but it's so much the truth that so many people refuses to see. Quick ranked is garbage. Hello. People have to stop call 'Online' quick ranked game. It makes the whole thing look bad. Have a game on hof sim against a good opponent, I don't think you'll see too many lucky shots going in.

                  To me it's to the point that they should just take it off, it will stop so much of the complaining we get. It's like half the whining comes from people playing on the wrong settings against cheesers.

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                  • EasyOnTheIcePlease
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 59

                    #10
                    Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                    That's such a tired and played response bro, and a troubling sign of the transitional switch in logic from 2KCommunity members.

                    I play on HOF Sim against friends, that doesn't nullify some of the BS that goes on.

                    It's just really disappointing to see the general responses surrounding complaints surrounding these issues center around, "don't play it". Ain't the point fam.

                    No matter what, it's tough to nail everything perfectly, but as far as online balance is concerned, I think 2K11 had it done right. At least a lot more right than what we have now.

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                    • Vni
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 14833

                      #11
                      Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                      Whatever you say, fine.

                      But how come my friends and I have no problem with the shooting part of the game playing on thoses settings when you guys come here and say it's broken?

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                      • MarvinOida
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 4859

                        #12
                        If shooting was bad a long time ago, why didn't I hear you in October? Could've made a thread about it then and have it better in the patch. 2K is most likely are working on 2K14. It's a 12 month development non stop for 2K 12 months, release, developing on next game next day, repeat.

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                        • EasyOnTheIcePlease
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 59

                          #13
                          Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                          Reading comprehension seems to be scarce on your side of town, bro. To further respond to your statement Marvin, does the fact that I didn't make a thread about shooting back in October erase the fact that a problem exists? There were a bevy of topics made about the state of shooting, that was handled for me. I threw my opinion in a few topics on here though.

                          That's hardly even the point. All I wanted out of this thread was an opinion from those who played the game with both tuning updates. I wanted to see the preference of people regarding the gameplay with the majority of shots falling, and the one with the majority missing.

                          It's very possible that I didn't flesh out my idea fully, but I stated which gameplay I preferred, and I listed why.

                          All this other hoopla, posts telling me to just not play Online modes, and now you, assuming that this is JUST a shooting complaint mode, aren't helping my vision.

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                          • MarvinOida
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 4859

                            #14
                            Originally posted by EasyOnTheIcePlease
                            Reading comprehension seems to be scarce on your side of town, bro. To further respond to your statement Marvin, does the fact that I didn't make a thread about shooting back in October erase the fact that a problem exists? There were a bevy of topics made about the state of shooting, that was handled for me. I threw my opinion in a few topics on here though.

                            That's hardly even the point. All I wanted out of this thread was an opinion from those who played the game with both tuning updates. I wanted to see the preference of people regarding the gameplay with the majority of shots falling, and the one with the majority missing.

                            It's very possible that I didn't flesh out my idea fully, but I stated which gameplay I preferred, and I listed why.

                            All this other hoopla, posts telling me to just not play Online modes, and now you, assuming that this is JUST a shooting complaint mode, aren't helping my vision.
                            I wasn't targeting the message to you, if I was, I would replied to the OP, I get your opinion, the game does feel like an Arcade-NBA JAM game with dunks, but I'm fine with 3 pointers. I was targeting to the people complaining. The people who are complaining should stated this a long time ago, I mean MORE than now, already almost 4 months after release. It's too late for them to complain. Since Christmas is gone.

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                            • EasyOnTheIcePlease
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 59

                              #15
                              Re: Which Shooting Extreme Do You Prefer: More Makes or More Misses?

                              As far as updates go, this has been a bit of an unpredictable year with 2KSports, so I'm not sure what to expect.

                              The update that made shooting tougher was QuickStrike status, hidden with a roster update, so I don't know if shooting will become tougher again in the future. I think this game has gone through phases though.

                              First night, the game played with realism
                              From the second night on, there was some wackiness

                              Over time, although contested shots dropped every now and then, I felt like I got into a groove overall. I knew how to play defense in a way that I wouldn't get picked by my AI teammates, and I knew how to stop aggressive drivers to the rim.

                              The tuning update last week just forced me to be a lot more hesitant with a wide open look. There were still some eyebrow-raising moments witnessed, certain matches saw more heavily-contested shots fall, than the wide open kind, but that was gameplay I enjoyed.

                              Now we're back to some earlier settings, but it feels a lot more casual than what was first rolled out. I'll call it the Christmas settings. It's not even just these guys being heavily covered nailing shots, controlling my players has become a bigger chore on defense. Plus, it's like "opposite day" with these defensive settings. I put deny ball & play tight on Korver, but my defenders sag off. I've got sag off, on & off ball for post players, but they're getting hugged.

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