Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

[Coach2K]

I have been reading this forum for quite a while and I want to issue a challenge to the community and that's to learn how to become a hall of fame player.

My goal is to see how many hall of fame players we can make here at Operations Sports.

Before I go into my challenge, I want to go over a few reasons for making a challenge to the community so you can understand the rationale behind it. I also want to point out that these are my ideas on the game and just because they are doesn't mean I don't think your ideas are equally good. So I guess what I am saying too is that not everyone will agree with me. No problem there.

The first thing that I noticed about the community is that the solutions to all issues guys seem to have with the game usually revolve around changing sliders and rarely about making better decisions while playing.

The scenario usually unfolds like this. Guy can't execute. Blames the game. Posts on forum. Advice is adjust the sliders to fix it.

The second thing I see a lot of is a lot complainers. The game is broken. They need to fix this or that. It's almost comical. Hey, I have complaints too. The way I look at it, I can complain or deal with it. It's almost like officiating. You can complain about the officiating but at the end of the day, the calls stand. It's best to look at the flaws in the game as poor officiating and move on. Complaining doesn't make you better.

I've tried to be pretty vocal in my opinion that a lot of you guys can get better. I take some heat for it and I understand. As good as I've gotten (which is average in my league), I still know I can improve even more.

And that's the last thing that I think I see here. A lot of guys think they already peaked and can't improve. Often, I can tell from the complaints people make, how good they are.

I'm telling you this game is deep and there is a lot to learn and people expect to master it just by holding the controller in their hands. It doesn't work that way.

So my challenge is this:

• Pick a team you will always use. Non elite - even better.
• Play the worst team in the league, beat it and then move up, home or away
• Hall of fame difficulty
• Simulation sliders (no customizations - out of the box)
• 12 minute quarters, user timing, speed 50, free throw diff 50, everything else unchanged (no changes in coaching sliders, except for those available during a time out)
• Current 2k rosters
• Post a pic of your team stats here in this thread.
• I'm going to post all my games here win or lose. I encourage you to do the same so you can see how many tries it takes.
• You are encouraged to man up and not play zone.

Our first goal is to beat the worst team in the league. Once we do that, then we will move up.

The way it works is you play that one team until you beat it before you can move on.

I've ranked the teams based on current winning percentage in the real life NBA. Arguments can be made that teams in 2k are better but this is the list I am going to use.

1. Spurs
2. OKC
3. Clippers
4. Heat
5. Knicks
6. Grizzlies
7. Warriors
8. Nuggets
9. Bulls
10. Nets
11. Pacers
12. Hawks
13. Bucks
14. Jazz
15. Rockets
16. Blazers
17. Celtics
18. Lakers
19. 76ers
20. Mavericks
21. Timberwolves
22. Pistons
23. Raptors
24. Kings
25. Suns
26. Hornets
27. Magic
28. Cavaliers
29. Bobcats
30. Wizards

This means our first opponent is the Wizards unless you are using the Wizards. Then your first opponent would be the Bobcats.

I don't know if I will have any takers. But I will document mine nonetheless.

I changed the order of the teams based on the number of 90, 80 and 70 rated players they have. Here's a list:

[KillerHog471]

I've heard you talk about hours sliders aren't necessary over and over again. When you talk about having to play a specific style to get realistic stats that isn't how the real NBA works. Some teams play fast, some play slow, some revolve around the post, some revolve around the iso, etc. With the correct sliders you can play any realistic NBA style offense and get realistic stats compared to the standard sets.

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[sirjam]

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How do you counteract the cheating the cpu does on hof? Because thats not a myth my friend. Blocking is impossible on this mode. I can win on hof but its a frustrating level because so much unrealistic stuff happens.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

I've heard you talk about hours sliders aren't necessary over and over again. When you talk about having to play a specific style to get realistic stats that isn't how the real NBA works. Some teams play fast, some play slow, some revolve around the post, some revolve around the iso, etc. With the correct sliders you can play any realistic NBA style offense and get realistic stats compared to the standard sets.

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I am pretty sure that in all my posts, I've never referred to realistic stats. What I have talked about is playing the right way, playing basketball. I'm not in general after realistic stats, I am after realistic play. Let the numbers fall where they do. If you are talking about CPU CPU simulations to get good box scores I do think that is important.

You are correct, every team has it's style, mine will have my own stamp. If you think about when I look at the teams they have already been setup for a style of play that should be pretty close to "how they play". They all don't have the same makeup.

Sliders can't work in a vaccuum. I tried a guys sliders on here and killed the CPU and didn't think they provide "realistic" stats. And, remember, I am not saying that you can't use sliders to reach your goals of how you would like to use the game.

What I am saying is that sliders are in some way a crutch to prevent people from getting better.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

How do you counteract the cheating the cpu does on hof? Because thats not a myth my friend. Blocking is impossible on this mode. I can win on hof but its a frustrating level because so much unrealistic stuff happens.

I know what you are saying. I am saying over look it like a bad call in basketball. The more you dwell on it, the more it affects your game. The better you play, the less you see of it, I think. I don't agree that blocking is impossible. It's harder because the computer has better shot selection.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

OK. I took the Wizards for a spin at home. I lost this one, so now I have to go on the road and will alternate back and forth until I beat them.

The problem in this game was that I took too many threes. Problem number one for most people I would guess.

As far as realistic stats go, I don't see what I am missing. Looks realistic enough for me, except I got beat.

[sirjam]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

I know what you are saying. I am saying over look it like a bad call in basketball. The more you dwell on it, the more it affects your game. I don't agree that blocking is impossible. It's harder because the computer has better shot selection.

Well what I'm saying about blocking is there seems to be like a force field that holds you back from blocking near the rim on higher levels. I used the 98 Spurs and played on Hof and superstar and got hardly any blocks. Then I played on pro with same teams and all of the sudden the force was lifted and I could get blocks at the rim.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Well what I'm saying about blocking is there seems to be like a force field that holds you back from blocking near the rim on higher levels. I used the 98 Spurs and played on Hof and superstar and got hardly any blocks. Then I played on pro with same teams and all of the sudden the force was lifted and I could get blocks at the rim.

Who were you playing? I'm not sure I have experienced the force field either.

[KillerHog471]

I am pretty sure that in all my posts, I've never referred to realistic stats. What I have talked about is playing the right way, playing basketball. I'm not in general after realistic stats, I am after realistic play. Let the numbers fall where they do. If you are talking about CPU CPU simulations to get good box scores I do think that is important.

You are correct, every team has it's style, mine will have my own stamp. If you think about when I look at the teams they have already been setup for a style of play that should be pretty close to "how they play". They all don't have the same makeup.

Sliders can't work in a vaccuum. I tried a guys sliders on here and killed the CPU and didn't think they provide "realistic" stats. And, remember, I am not saying that you can't use sliders to reach your goals of how you would like to use the game.

What I am saying is that sliders are in some way a crutch to prevent people from getting better.

Congrats on mastering the game and being so good you don't use sliders as a crutch and can crush the CPU.

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[Taer]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Hiya Coach. Great idea here; a couple of questions.

1: How do you take screenshots? I'm on the PC if that matters.

2: When playing non-MyCareer games, I play with playerlock on... any thoughts on this?

3: You said play "out-of-the-box" ... does that mean you leave the auto-help defense slider alone. Many people like to turn that to 0, because they do not want the AI auto-reaching in, or fighting the moves you make to defend... thoughts?

Anyways, great idea, and I am considering playing along with you all on this.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Congrats on mastering the game and being so good you don't use sliders as a crutch and can crush the CPU.

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I think you missed the point.

[sirjam]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Who were you playing? I'm not sure I have experienced the force field either.

The Bobcats

[KillerHog471]

I think you missed the point.

Not really that's what it sounds like to me. You make it sound like you know everything about the game and anyone else that doesn't agree with your view on sliders is using a crutch and should switch how they play the game to fit what you do. The fact that you said you killed the CPU sounds like more bragging.

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[Coach2K]

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Not really that's what it sounds like to me. You make it sound like you know everything about the game and anyone else that doesn't agree with your view on sliders is using a crutch and should switch how they play the game to fit what you do. The fact that you said you killed the CPU sounds like more bragging.

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I'm an average player. Right now in my league I am 9-14. I am 45 years old and most of you guys are probably half my age and have better reaction times and stick skills.

And, yet I have won on hall of fame mode against the cpu on the settings above.

That's precisely why I know you guys can win on hall of fame mode, not because I think I am awesome or anything, but because I am not really that great of a player.

If I can do it you can too.

It's been suggested here many times that you use sliders to get realistic stats. Rather than just believe what I believe I tested it out and posted my findings in another thread.

I didn't get realistic stats and it was incredibly easy for me to score from three.

One set of sliders doesn't fit all.

If you want to use sliders, I already mentioned, knock yourself out. It's your game, enjoy it how you want. I don't see a problem with people adjusting the difficulty to rookie, pro or anything any more than adjusting the sliders because it is basically the same thing.

My goal is not to get people to quit using them. But adjusting sliders isn't the solution in every case. Improving game play is important to. So I am out to challenge people not to change them and see how much you can improve.

I'm not going to persuade everybody to try my challenge. In fact, very few people can take losing so I know very few people will even try. There's a pretty strong slider adjustment mentality here that has convinced most people it's too hard.

But, I don't see any problem with encouraging people to get better and it's my view that adjusting sliders makes the game easier and the result is they aren't challenged to get better.

Difficulty level is one side of the equation and playing smart is another. This is a challenge to work on the playing side and not the slider side. Everybody can benefit from playing smarter.

[Coach2K]

Re: Coach2K's Hall of Fame Challenge

Hiya Coach. Great idea here; a couple of questions.

1: How do you take screenshots? I'm on the PC if that matters.

2: When playing non-MyCareer games, I play with playerlock on... any thoughts on this?

3: You said play "out-of-the-box" ... does that mean you leave the auto-help defense slider alone. Many people like to turn that to 0, because they do not want the AI auto-reaching in, or fighting the moves you make to defend... thoughts?

Anyways, great idea, and I am considering playing along with you all on this.

On the PC, you could probably print screen and paste into paint. Either that or use your phone and take a pic and post it.

I play on player lock to practice whenever I get a chance. It's a good way to practice a specific position. I highly recommend it.

By the auto help, do you me the defensive assist or the slider in the timeout section?