WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

[thedream2k13]

It amazes me how bad people are in 2k13 that have records of 250-30! They set defense settings to everyone "deny" or "doubleteam", along with fastbreak 100 crash boards 100 and D pressue 100? They score in the paint from under rim layup animations and take countless contested shots /3 pointers and still manage to win games. Not to mention the 1-3-1 with super defensive recovery they all seem to take advantage of. These guys have no BBIQ it seems and from the tipoff you know what the game is gonna be like with their pregame D blanket settings. This year will we see different? Can the game require some skill or offensive scheme rather than iso freestyle ball for once? Can the post game be relevant again instead of the countless drives to the paint everyone does? I hope 2k14 changes this new casual culture they arrived after 2k12 released or its gonna be a long year hoping 2k15 is better

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

It's not required.

[mango_prom]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

If I look at the crap people write in the "I think this player deserves this sig skill" thread...let's just say 2k would irritate a lot of kids and homers if online required anything resembling a brain...

[HowDareI]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

As long as the Quick Match difficulty stays where it is, then no, no brain or skill..all you need to know is how to cheese and play unrealistic ball.

Now if they added different difficulties on Quick Match, then your answer may be different..

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

This year will we see different? Can the game require some skill or offensive scheme rather than iso freestyle ball for once? Can the post game be relevant again instead of the countless drives to the paint everyone does? I hope 2k14 changes this new casual culture they arrived after 2k12 released or its gonna be a long year hoping 2k15 is better.

If the defensive abilities have been upgrade from where they were, then yes, this year will be different. From the build I was on, it was easily apparent during gameplay to feel the 'power' of the defense in the sense that I could create the contact when I beat the man to the spot. Just with being able to do that, it should allow us (simheads) to dictate the flow of the game. LBJ is gonna get his, but, he will not be bowling people over and dribbling straight thru 3 people to get to the rim, that ball will be on the floor in 14.

Post game is a lost art in real life basketball, doubt the game play from online folk is gonna be any better than previous. And I don't know how 2K could make players go from the post more often?

Casual culture jumped on board with 2k11 my friend, 12 probably grabbed more older casuals with the focus on classic teams. 13 then grabbed little Timmys with the Jay-Z branding, so the game was even more 'casual' to get them on board, 14 should be the year to teach them how to play (on both sides of the ball) hence the ability to play defense now... 15 imo will be that ish tho.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

As long as the Quick Match difficulty stays where it is, then no, no brain or skill..all you need to know is how to cheese and play unrealistic ball.

Now if they added different difficulties on Quick Match, then your answer may be different..

I spoke with LD2K about the online difficulty, and he said that they are trying to make it where its on a higher difficulty but are getting resistance to the idea.

I brought up the idea of custom matchmaking, he agreed to the idea in general, but really couldn't go any farther into it, they have had the idea before, but resource allocation just wasn't/isn't there.

[Illuminatos94]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

Again, bringing back lobbies would fix this.

[sreckless]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

It amazes me how bad people are in 2k13 that have records of 250-30! They set defense settings to everyone "deny" or "doubleteam", along with fastbreak 100 crash boards 100 and D pressue 100? They score in the paint from under rim layup animations and take countless contested shots /3 pointers and still manage to win games. Not to mention the 1-3-1 with super defensive recovery they all seem to take advantage of. These guys have no BBIQ it seems and from the tipoff you know what the game is gonna be like with their pregame D blanket settings. This year will we see different? Can the game require some skill or offensive scheme rather than iso freestyle ball for once? Can the post game be relevant again instead of the countless drives to the paint everyone does? I hope 2k14 changes this new casual culture they arrived after 2k12 released or its gonna be a long year hoping 2k15 is better

Nobody's getting to 250-30 without some serious skills (unless they know some kind of hack or cheat to pump up their record without actually playing the games, but I'm sure that's rare).

You might not approve of or like their game style, but to win that consistently you need some extraordinary stick skills and great knowledge of the game.

A player can be bad and still win games, but those people will have records closer to .500 or .450 (this is the most common range). If your opponent has a .700 winning percentage he is doing something right, and that person would still win quite a bit even using a different game style.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

Again, bringing back lobbies would fix this.

Even if only 10,000 out of 5,000,000 or .002 percent played like that? Are the required resources available for that or for the direction they want to take online?

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to have lobbies or at-least matchmaking options. Might of had something to do when they put the new net code in (I think 2K11ish) is when the changed over from the old Dreamcast net code. So they are still working on the online side of things, 14 online should be even better.

IMHO there should be no reason anyone from OS is playing cheesers on a daily basis... there are roughly 200+ people in the 2K section here at OS all the time, so get peeps from here that play 5s, 8s and 12s on your FL that way you're able to send out a message when you log on to XBL/PS and get a game in.

Yeah, yeah, we all want the ability to do this w/o having to do anything other than press some buttons on the controller but it is what it is right now, but we as a community have options available, so get down with it, check out the lactose thread (online section) and get online.

[stillfeelme]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

I think it will require a brain to play online and be successful. Even watching some of the bad user gameplay in the demo they appeared to make your AI teammates smarter. So even if a user is say doing bad things on defense the AI teammates attempt to provide realistic help defense. Once the dribble penetration doesn't work through multiple defenders they will start to use Iso's and pick and rolls. Once that doesn't work they will try to use the playbook even the best play option.

[Optik]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

I spoke with LD2K about the online difficulty, and he said that they are trying to make it where its on a higher difficulty but are getting resistance to the idea.

I brought up the idea of custom matchmaking, he agreed to the idea in general, but really couldn't go any farther into it, they have had the idea before, but resource allocation just wasn't/isn't there.

From who? Management? I hate the fact that 2K listened to the people who refused to put in the time to learn how to play 2K11 and changed it from simulation sliders to casual/default. They lowered the difficulty as well, since it wasn't as hard to make 3pters after the change.

Seems like despite 2K being the consensus no.1 game for the past four or five years, they're still a small company relative to EA, the same way Konami (PES) is to EA (FIFA), although I assume Konami is a bigger developer than 2K because of their previous titles in the '90s. I mean, to not be able to update the code for online from Dreamcast until 2K11 (or was it 12?)? That's absurd. Even us gamers now have to take in 2K's resource allocation into account when we're making wishlists. They're not like EA who just have an endless pit of cash, and seemingly infinite resources to play with.

No wonder EA were trying to go all in, with Elite 11, when to the average consumer what made the most sense would have been for them to build on Live 10, instead of trying to make a completely new game. When you've got virtually infinite resources at your disposal, you can afford to be overambitious, and it doesn't matter if you fail to even release, because there's always more than enough resources to release at a later date.

Thankfully, it seems that (for now) the NBA is not like the NFL in that it's not giving out exclusive licensing. Otherwise it would truly be over, and I would all but give up on sports gaming. There would be no desire in North America for a basketball game without licensing. No room for a basketball game from Konami. Right now EA have swallowed up Spanish stadium licensing so PES doesn't contain even Camp Nou or the Bernabeu.

I can understand why people hate on EA so much. They could destroy the entire sports gaming industry.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

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From who? Thats beyond me.

But just look at from a business standpoint, 99% of the people are casuals, who just want to pick up a controller and play basketball, well their perception of what basketball playing is.

The product itself has to allow them to be able to play (decently) otherwise they won't purchase again.

As for us hardcore guys, if we want the game to get better (for us) we have to be those resources for 2K, cause their resources are going towards getting more folk to play and if successful that means more $ to allocate to resources later on.

So with that said, we are the nitpickiest group on the interwebz when it comes to virtual basketball, so if we can construct a proper feedback routine, we know the DEVS are on here, so lets help them help us. If we can provide feedback in the way of video (for ex; on how to do a cheese move consistently, maybe they will be able to fix that faster) or even an article on something that you think would be a good idea and how it could be implemented into a video game, we could start to see a budding line of communication that has always been available, just not used correctly.

[arimamba]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

Even if only 10,000 out of 5,000,000 or .002 percent played like that? Are the required resources available for that or for the direction they want to take online?

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to have lobbies or at-least matchmaking options. Might of had something to do when they put the new net code in (I think 2K11ish) is when the changed over from the old Dreamcast net code. So they are still working on the online side of things, 14 online should be even better.

IMHO there should be no reason anyone from OS is playing cheesers on a daily basis... there are roughly 200+ people in the 2K section here at OS all the time, so get peeps from here that play 5s, 8s and 12s on your FL that way you're able to send out a message when you log on to XBL/PS and get a game in.

Yeah, yeah, we all want the ability to do this w/o having to do anything other than press some buttons on the controller but it is what it is right now, but we as a community have options available, so get down with it, check out the lactose thread (online section) and get online.

nah this board is full of cheesers... cant find anyone that plays sims to play online with me..

[Chocolate Chip]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

i hope so. Im tired of ppl picking teams like the Knicks & Heat. while their strategy is just to turbo into the paint with LBJ , Wade, Melo, Jr. smith. along with the spin layups/dunks that makes my defender step aside(offensive fouls not being called). as they hide behind their little 1-3-1 zone. off ball.

[LD2k]

Re: WIll 2k14 require a brain to play online?

From my games that I've played, this has been the most competitive NBA 2K title in the series IMO. It's very balanced.