Just some quick defensive suggestions

[The 24th Letter]

Just wanted to share some suggestions since I see some are struggling with defense...

Contrary to what was said pre launch , auto contest is still in the game....it's under the controller settings but defaulted to manual...setting it to intense D should help with some of you getting caught flat footed when someone takes a J..

As far as one on one D...the defensive help slider under controller settings is defaulted to 50...lowering it will help you move your feet quicker, while moving it higher will slow you down a little more, but help our with positioning a little better..so that one is up to the player and their playing style...

Hoped that helps a little....Hopefully everyone has some tips they can share for playing better D...share here...

[WizardJay]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Use your defensive settings!!

A lot of people don't use em.

[Gosens6]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Know the team you're playing. If you're playing against a team like the Grizzlies, shut down the paint. Double team their bigs every time they touch the ball in the paint, force them to make threes and jumpshots. This will also cut down on the PIP when facing big teams.

Contrary, if you're facing a team like the Knicks, pressure their shooters as much as possible, don't let them get clean looks or you're in trouble.

Like the guy above me said, use your defensive settings, understand the strengths of the opposing team and adjust accordingly. You can FINALLY shut teams down on defense in this game and it's beautiful.

Also, don't worry if you start fouling guys, that's good, no easy layups, make them earn it from the stripe.

[secondcity t]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Use your defensive settings!!

A lot of people don't use em.

They do. Tight on all 5 onball, tight on all 5 offball.

[raiderphantom]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

I have to re-learn defense all over again. I just can't guard the ball. Not the CPU anyway. I won the one user game I played. I played DRose yesterday and he torched me. Paul George did too but I had Klay Thompson on him. I'm tempted to just play offball but I want to improve my on ball skills.

[Sundown]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

I don't know if it's just that the offensive AI has been improved, but I'm not seeing the improved defense vs CPU in 2K14.

I was playing as the Warriors against the Rockets on Allstar Sim, and:

Intense-D contest is no longer default. I tried to play without any auto-contest (since it's apparently frowned upon and the new default), and I'm just not able to contest very well, partly because--

RS hands up D has a major delay. It takes like 1 second before the hands come up when you're in certain animations. Sometimes it feels like you can't even get a hand up to half-contest even though you know the shot is going up.

LT no longer seems very useful, and causes me to get burned constantly, even with a lockdown defender like Igoudala. Actually I get burned with or without LT. Meanwhile, CPU has no problem staying in front of me and affording minimal penetration.

Harden constantly gets penetration, and so does Lin. Some of this is expected, and I actually *like* that the CPU ball handlers feel more explosive and dangerous. It seems that they rarely get stuck dribbling the shot clock out, which is great, but --

I'm not seeing very good help interior defense from the AI. Bogut is getting no blocks, and paint defense is usually out of position or just ends up fouling, not much different from 2K13 before sliders. Iggy has difficulty picking up players going to the hole, and most of the "physicality" I'm seeing is my guys getting dunked on.

RS hands up doesn't seem to do as much in the paint. Maybe this is by design, but again, it makes it feel like paint defense isn't really there.

The CPU offensive rebounds still seem ridiculous. Not only from Asik and Howard, but from Harden and Lin as well. Maybe because my guys are out of position after trying to contest, but it's the only thing I can do to prevent easy buckets (which often come anyway).

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or many things wrong, but I was playing pretty decent positional defense (using EccentricMeat's slider set) in 2K13. It's just strange that in a game advertising much improved defense, I'm getting destroyed more than ever on that end. It's starting to become frustrating already.

Any tips besides turning on auto-contest and that sort of thing?

[Red Kafe]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

I don't know if it's just that the offensive AI has been improved, but I'm not seeing the improved defense vs CPU in 2K14.

I was playing as the Warriors against the Rockets on Allstar Sim, and:

Intense-D contest is no longer default. I tried to play without any auto-contest (since it's apparently frowned upon and the new default), and I'm just not able to contest very well, partly because--

RS hands up D has a major delay. It takes like 1 second before the hands come up when you're in certain animations. Sometimes it feels like you can't even get a hand up to half-contest even though you know the shot is going up.

LT no longer seems very useful, and causes me to get burned constantly, even with a lockdown defender like Igoudala. Actually I get burned with or without LT. Meanwhile, CPU has no problem staying in front of me and affording minimal penetration.

Harden constantly gets penetration, and so does Lin. Some of this is expected, and I actually *like* that the CPU ball handlers feel more explosive and dangerous. It seems that they rarely get stuck dribbling the shot clock out, which is great, but --

I'm not seeing very good help interior defense from the AI. Bogut is getting no blocks, and paint defense is usually out of position or just ends up fouling, not much different from 2K13 before sliders. Iggy has difficulty picking up players going to the hole, and most of the "physicality" I'm seeing is my guys getting dunked on.

RS hands up doesn't seem to do as much in the paint. Maybe this is by design, but again, it makes it feel like paint defense isn't really there.

The CPU offensive rebounds still seem ridiculous. Not only from Asik and Howard, but from Harden and Lin as well. Maybe because my guys are out of position after trying to contest, but it's the only thing I can do to prevent easy buckets (which often come anyway).

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, or many things wrong, but I was playing pretty decent positional defense (using EccentricMeat's slider set) in 2K13. It's just strange that in a game advertising much improved defense, I'm getting destroyed more than ever on that end. It's starting to become frustrating already.

Any tips besides turning on auto-contest and that sort of thing?

Did you even read the first post ?


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[stillfeelme]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Sundown,

There is no auto double settings as last year. Default it is set at manual. So if default is not working you need adjust when to double. What I have found is my on ball defense isn't as effective as it was on 2K13, out of the box. I have not changed defensive help controller settings. I played with zero on 2K13. I also play on broadcast but was able to guard better on 13.

• I would not crowd elite shooters who also can dribble very well extra tight. CP3's, Hardens, etc. You have to give them space and gamble at times with your elite defender and guess the direction. Harden is a monster I used him was impressed but only one game.
• Paint play I use LT and right stick towards the defender. that is usually enough to alter most shots.
• If you need more help d up your coach settings profile help D and change bigs to moderate or sag offball. If your help D from your bigs are not so good at help d. (Lee) don't be surprised, I think the defensive awareness ratings helps drives how effective they are.

[Sundown]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Any tips besides turning on auto-contest and that sort of thing?

Did you even read the first post ?

Yes, I did.

Did you even read mine?

I asked for defensive tips ASIDE from setting tweaks.

[Sundown]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Sundown,

There is no auto double settings as last year. Default it is set at manual. So if default is not working you need adjust when to double. What I have found is my on ball defense isn't as effective as it was on 2K13, out of the box. I have not changed defensive help controller settings. I played with zero on 2K13. I also play on broadcast but was able to guard better on 13.

So I'm not the only one who's noticed this. People in the impressions thread have also noticed that on-ball defense seems more slippery with less contact animations. I think I might be okay with this, as I was much too effective guarding some players with the likes of Curry, but Iggy should be a LOCKDOWN defender. In real life Harden consistently does poorly against Iggy.

I would not crowd elite shooters who also can dribble very well extra tight. CP3's, Hardens, etc. You have to give them space and gamble at times with your elite defender and guess the direction. Harden is a monster I used him was impressed but only one game.

Would you say that the crowd-and-ride defense doesn't work anymore and you pretty much have to anticipate, cut off, and commit? That's not so bad if my bigs weren't being somewhat useless and their guards so good at finishing.

Oh, and I fully expect Lee to be terrible at help defense, but Bogut should be a monster in there. I haven't seen one block by him yet. That doesn't seem right.

[ruxpinke]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Sundown,

Feel your pain, but i think with more gameplay we will start to get a better handle on what works. Often when transitioning to a new game we get caught in playing a style of defense that used to work in the previous game. I definitely have felt a bit more overmatched on the perimeter than i expected to early on, especially with the defense being touted this year.

Also, you are referencing Lin and Harden here, Lin is an good-very good finisher, and Harden is one of the best in the game. Not excusing it, but something to keep in mind maybe?

I do agree the LT is a bit weird, it seems like its making me stuck a bit more - I will take the advice from OP and lay off it a bit more tonight.

[stillfeelme]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

The one thing I didn't really spend much time using was shuffle feet RT LT. That could be part of the problem will need to experiment some more on that.

• I think a good time to crowd is on some of the pivot foot animations and late in the shot clock. I wouldn't be surprised if my cam view is messing me up as well.
• I do get the "riding" animations or diverting animations sometimes but I think position is most likely very sensitive.
• They programmed the CPU to be aggressive on drives for attackers off the dribble. I did much better giving CP3, Jennings, space when they have a live dribble and predict the direction

[Chairman7w]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Remember too, that you *can't* stay in front of guys all the time. For cryin' out loud, it's Derrick Rose. There's not a man alive in real life that can stay in front of him, so it's not unrealistic in any way for him to get by you at will.

I have to re-learn defense all over again. I just can't guard the ball. Not the CPU anyway. I won the one user game I played. I played DRose yesterday and he torched me. Paul George did too but I had Klay Thompson on him. I'm tempted to just play offball but I want to improve my on ball skills.

[Coach2K]

I'm an onball stay in front of your guy, no change in coaching sliders or defensive settings player. In 13, I'd gotten to the point where I could hold the hof CPU under 100 with that play style.

I use the Pacers and have noticed that I am not defending as well either.

Step one is better offense. That's always my first tip because you want your opponent - CPU or user - to play against five guys as much as possible.

What I am doing is going back to rookie level and starting from scratch.

I feel the same principles will apply.

1. Shoot a good percentage
2. Don't extend your defense
3. Stay on the imaginary line between ball and basket
4. Challenge shots. I did change mine from manual to intense D
5. Block out

My goal is to stop people half the time not all the time.

I should add to that I rarely change any settings. It's ok if you do I just don't.

It's still pretty early. The game is new to us. If you are doing the above, I wouldn't make drastic changes until you've put more time in and are fully adjusted to the game.

[Sundown]

Re: Just some quick defensive suggestions

Also, you are referencing Lin and Harden here, Lin is an good-very good finisher, and Harden is one of the best in the game. Not excusing it, but something to keep in mind maybe?

Yeah, I realized that so I'm definitely okay with both of them being tougher to guard than in 2K13. It's silly that I could stop Parker with Curry consistently last year.

Iggy should be able to stop these guys though. He's one of the best perimeter defenders around. I ended up shutting Harden down one game, and I'm okay with their better penetration. It's just when Andrew Bogut and Ezeli are also playing terrible interior defense and the CPU has no problem preventing my penetration that I start getting aggravated.