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  • vtcha
    MVP
    • Nov 2009
    • 2180

    #1

    2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

    There has been no consistency the past few years. We are all basically annoyed and would prefer if you just stuck with one control scheme consistently (see FIFA).

    Every year I have noticed how the developers are mentioning "oh this year the controls are way better than the last, etc, etc" (see below comments).

    2K14
    "The idea going into 13 was trying to build what we actually shipped in 14," Wang explained.NBA 2K13 used a left trigger modifier to differentiate the shooting/ballhandling controls on the right stick. This year, they figured it out, making flick or tap commands on the stick applicable to ballhandling moves, and holding the stick in a certain direction correspondent to shooting.
    "After an entire year of iteration and trying to solve the problems of putting two major mechanics on one stick without modifiers, it wasn't ready [for NBA 2K13] so we took the plan B route," Wang added. "14['s controls] is what we really wanted it to be."



    2K13
    Rob Jones was speaking specifically about developer Visual Concepts' decision to shift control of dribble moves to the right analog stick — a major change from which the studio isn't looking back — but the sentiment applies to sports video games in general. NBA 2K13's new scheme is also much more conceptually intuitive: think of it as controlling your feet with the left stick and your hands with the right, similar to the skate/stick setup in EA Sports' NHL series. In addition, the Control Stick unifies certain previously disparate suites of dribble moves, making them easier to understand and learn. The commands for moves in the post, for example, are now identical to those used when facing up a defender; it's a change that makes sense and makes you wonder why things haven't worked this way until now.


    2K12
    In NBA2K12, we wanted the user to feel more connected to the system so we broke the size ups up into much shorter sequences, and in most cases just one dribble. So you can now manually rock the ball from side to side by holding the Dribble/Shot modifier and moving the left thumbstick left, right, left, right, etc. Moving the left stick away from the hoop will cause your guy to quickly retreat, toward the ball hand will have him do a quick inside out dribble, toward the offhand will perform a crossover, and toward the hoop will be a more aggressive attacking type dribble. It’s a bit difficult to describe but when you get your hands on it, the difference is night and day. Instead of watching a sequence play out by itself, the user now has the ability to chain together ankle-breaking combos however he wants.


    I know it's still early and this is just an assumption, but I just have a strong feeling 2K is going to change the controls AGAIN in 2K15. Personally I felt that the controls in 2K10, 11 & 12 were great because they were consistent even though there were a few minor modifications.
    Last edited by vtcha; 10-09-2013, 11:51 PM.
  • thedoob
    Rookie
    • Oct 2012
    • 242

    #2
    Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

    Originally posted by vtcha
    There has been no consistency the past few years. We are all basically annoyed and would prefer if you just stuck with one control scheme consistently (see FIFA).

    Every year I have noticed how the developers are mentioning "oh this year the controls are way better than the last, etc, etc" (see below comments).

    2K14
    "The idea going into 13 was trying to build what we actually shipped in 14," Wang explained.NBA 2K13 used a left trigger modifier to differentiate the shooting/ballhandling controls on the right stick. This year, they figured it out, making flick or tap commands on the stick applicable to ballhandling moves, and holding the stick in a certain direction correspondent to shooting.
    "After an entire year of iteration and trying to solve the problems of putting two major mechanics on one stick without modifiers, it wasn't ready [for NBA 2K13] so we took the plan B route," Wang added. "14['s controls] is what we really wanted it to be."



    2K13
    Rob Jones was speaking specifically about developer Visual Concepts' decision to shift control of dribble moves to the right analog stick — a major change from which the studio isn't looking back — but the sentiment applies to sports video games in general. NBA 2K13's new scheme is also much more conceptually intuitive: think of it as controlling your feet with the left stick and your hands with the right, similar to the skate/stick setup in EA Sports' NHL series. In addition, the Control Stick unifies certain previously disparate suites of dribble moves, making them easier to understand and learn. The commands for moves in the post, for example, are now identical to those used when facing up a defender; it's a change that makes sense and makes you wonder why things haven't worked this way until now.


    2K12
    In NBA2K12, we wanted the user to feel more connected to the system so we broke the size ups up into much shorter sequences, and in most cases just one dribble. So you can now manually rock the ball from side to side by holding the Dribble/Shot modifier and moving the left thumbstick left, right, left, right, etc. Moving the left stick away from the hoop will cause your guy to quickly retreat, toward the ball hand will have him do a quick inside out dribble, toward the offhand will perform a crossover, and toward the hoop will be a more aggressive attacking type dribble. It’s a bit difficult to describe but when you get your hands on it, the difference is night and day. Instead of watching a sequence play out by itself, the user now has the ability to chain together ankle-breaking combos however he wants.


    I know it's still early and this is just an assumption, but I just have a strong feeling 2K is going to change the controls AGAIN in 2K15. Personally I felt that the controls in 2K10, 11 & 12 were great because they were consistent even though there were a few minor modifications.
    Just tell them to stop improving the game...
    Keep Fighting the Good Fight

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    • Allstar25
      Rookie
      • Dec 2011
      • 51

      #3
      Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

      I would prefer next year in 2K15, they would go back to 2K13's controls, with the left trigger as the shot modifier. Makes much sense than it being the "flashy pass" indicator.

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      • Vni
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2011
        • 14833

        #4
        Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

        I don't see how it's a big deal if it's for the better or gives more options. Only takes a few hours of adjusting.

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        • Necrosis
          Rookie
          • Feb 2012
          • 107

          #5
          Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

          At least an option to use L2 as a modifier for shots would be nice, one that doesn't break ally-oops and such.

          Flashy passing is just useless, I used it like my first 2 games and then never again because it was so unpredictable and got me turnovers.

          On a fast break and want to give a flashy pass backwards to a trailing LeBron? NOPE, game decides it'll instead make you throw a no-look over the head pass all the way to the other side of the court to a teammate who isn't in any position to score or wasn't even over the back court yet, resulting in a turnover.

          Too much of stuff like that happens whenever I'd try it, so I basically never use it.

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          • Cedrik
            Rookie
            • Oct 2012
            • 107

            #6
            Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

            My only problem is I have to get out of the habit of pressing LB to call for a screen.

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            • vtcha
              MVP
              • Nov 2009
              • 2180

              #7
              Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

              "After an entire year of iteration and trying to solve the problems of putting two major mechanics on one stick without modifiers, it wasn't ready [for NBA 2K13] so we took the plan B route," Wang added. "14['s controls] is what we really wanted it to be."

              Though I have very little knowledge on what goes on behind the scenes, does it really take more than a whole year to develop the mechanics of the controls .. seriously .. a whole year?? to develop NOT the gameplay or the presentation, but the controls ...?

              On a more lighter note, would be pretty funny if they actually did spend a large chunk of the time on controls whilst neglecting the issues with gameplay, Association, etc.
              Last edited by vtcha; 10-10-2013, 02:14 AM.

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              • quehouston
                Cheeseproof.com
                • Nov 2008
                • 723

                #8
                Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                Originally posted by vtcha
                There has been no consistency the past few years. We are all basically annoyed and would prefer if you just stuck with one control scheme consistently (see FIFA).

                Every year I have noticed how the developers are mentioning "oh this year the controls are way better than the last, etc, etc" (see below comments).
                Speak for yourself. I'm loving these new controls.
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                • Fakename22
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 436

                  #9
                  Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                  Originally posted by quehouston
                  Speak for yourself. I'm loving these new controls.
                  This.



                  Takes some getting used to especially if you played NBA 2K13 a lot but eventually its just muscle memory. I dont see why all the outrage.

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                  • KingKongBundyIsFat
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 49

                    #10
                    Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                    I would imagine the only people who are annoyed are those who scored all their points double tapping circle and square (or their Xbox equivalents). Last year's controls were straight Gorgonzola cheese...this year it takes actual skill to pull out the proper shot and I love it. People aren't spinning around like tops every single possession.

                    2K14 is legit the best 2K since '11 I think.

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                    • Sundown
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3270

                      #11
                      Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                      It's barely over a week since the game's come out and I'm already adjusted. I don't see the big fuss.

                      And yes, it's better and more intuitive, and so long as it gets better each year, affords more control and doesn't take away features, I have no problem with them changing controls.

                      This is one of the few complaints I don't really understand.

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                      • PJBrownHeat
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 398

                        #12
                        Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                        Originally posted by Sundown

                        This is one of the few complaints I don't really understand.
                        it is unfortunately the sad reallity

                        Originally posted by thedoob
                        Just tell them to stop improving the game...
                        every year we are waiting for improvement on package dunk, more classic team, my player, association.

                        Originally posted by quehouston
                        Speak for yourself. I'm loving these new controls.
                        it is not a question we don't like the new gameplay!! it should be only good one solid control every year and it could be sufficient. give me another fade away jumpshot and another up and under for Jordan but stop giving me new control!!
                        New animation in dribble ok, no problem!!
                        we would have prefere just a video to show us the new feature and not a control video. they played every year with words to say that there is just a little difference while they can't give us what we really want!! and they speak they speak they speak bla bla bla bli

                        and please people stop to compare 2k11 and 2k14, it is 2k12 and 2k14 we must compare; Thanks!!!

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                        • thedoob
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 242

                          #13
                          Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                          I was really frustrated with it at first, but it really does streamline everything. Just keep with it, it becomes natural after awhile.
                          Keep Fighting the Good Fight

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #14
                            Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                            No amount of quotes or times you use the word "we" will change this from being your own personal opinion...

                            Adjust.

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                            • vtcha
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 2180

                              #15
                              Re: 2K Please STOP changing the controls year by year

                              lot of backlash here.
                              I never stated the 2K14 controls suck, in fact they are great, better than what we have had since 2K11 IMO
                              My concern is what they will do in 2K15 and so forth- there has been no consistency. These past few years I've had to go through the manual and practice drills to simply re-learn how to do simple moves. I get that it takes a few games to adjust but this is annoying, and quite frankly 2K should be spending their time on something more important than the controls. What I'm pleading to 2K is that they stick with one control scheme from here on out, whether it be 2K14 or whatever. I don't mind little adjustments here and there, but don't rewrite the entire mechanics.

                              My only critique on the 2K14 would be the flashy passing (L2) button. I felt they could've added this button with the icon pass & right stick and use the L2 button for something else.

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