So What's The Real Beef With VC?

[Gosens6]

Alright, I know the majority of posters here HATE VC. What I wanna know is, why?

I hear some people say because we don't make enough on a game per game basis in MyCareer. Well, while I agree that the price of accessories is grossly overpriced, I can realistically level up my player to a high 80s overall by mid season, and to the 90s by the end of the year. It really isn't a marathon to get VC for your player if you play good each game as your minutes start to increase. Unless you're one of those guys that only play key games.

Now, VC in my team. Do you guys hate it because 2K gives people the option of basically buying legend teams with real money, or do you hate it because you actually have to use VC for packs?

I won't even go into VC on blacktop mode, because some of the prices for those players are ridiculous. I'm curious to hear though, do you hate VC and why??


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[seanbarkley]

Re: So What's The Real Beef With VC?

!st of all I have to tell that I don't hate VC, i hate the direction the game is taking since they introduced VC:

- 1. This is NBA 2K, not Farmville, Angry Birds or any given free-to-play game where the only money income they have is microtransactions. This is supposed to be a 70€ AAA game, so if they want to make more money just release decent DLCs just like other companies (or even 2K with Borderlands 2) do. What they are doing now is earn money with things that were free in previous years (legends, shoes, accessories...)

- 2. It's funny to hear that they haven't included a 30 team control association in NG because they haven't had time to do it, and now you see that they had it to spread all that VC stuff all over the game. Matter of priorities I guess.

[franzis]

Re: So What's The Real Beef With VC?

You can find some opinions, mine included, about VC here

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ee-coming.html

[El_Poopador]

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the issue is the amount of vc earned per game in any mode vs how much everything costs. sure you can level up mp to 80 relatively quick as long as you dont want to buy anything else. a hat is like what, 600 vc or something? so i have to play 2 solid games in mp just to buy a hat. and if i want that hat i cant level mp up for those 2 games. want a sig shot? depending on whos it is that could be another 1k vc. so 5 more good mp games with no increases in attributes just so i can adjust my shot style.

i think they need to do a few things with vc.

they need to have vc separate from skill points. this way you can level up your player and still buy stuff.

make vc only come from your salary, and make it realistic in the amount you get (500vc/year for a first round draft pick is clearly not enough: 1 years salary should buy more than a hat).

separate vc between different modes. mp vc shouldnt be carried over to myteam, etc.

if i buy something like a sig shot for one mp, it should carry over for any mps i have. i understand clothing being separated, but its too much to have to buy a shot more than once, since it doesnt have any effect outside of personal preference. or even better, just unlock sig moves from the start, and tie things like dunk and payup packages to attributes. sig shots and free throws should be unlocked from the start without having to buy them.

(just noticed the typo, but im going to leave it because it seems fitting )

[kmiree16]

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I guess some of my dislike of VC comes from how small an amount you get after each game.

But my real gripe with it is in MyCareer with contracts. It just feels lame signing a 2 year, 500 VC contract. And then when it's time to negotiate a new one, I don't know what is fair or unfair in terms of VC. For example, I know if I'm worth a 3 year, 30 million dollar contract and a team is trying to lowball me. I don't know what a 2 year, 300 VC contract translates to in real money, so I don't know if I'm being ripped off or not.

I would prefer VC be used just for MyTeam and 2K bring back real money for contracts like 2K12.

[WetBeaverNeeded]

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First i'll answer your questions:

Mycareer: I you only play mycareer it's fine. But me, and probably a lot of people get tired of mycareer's repetitive nature and moronic ai pretty quickly. Playing 82 games with 12m quarters would be a struggle and probably take an entire year for me. Maybe i want a second or third 80-90ovr player? How's that gonna work without buying vc. On another note jumpshots, layups, rituals, etc.. should be free or a lot cheaper. Accessories should be free, unless they give boosts. The idea of training boosts is f'd up.

Myteam: I hate it because ppl can buy their teams, i also hate the gameplay and all gold teams but that's obviously another story.

In short: I don't hate vc, i actually believe it could be a good thing. What i hate is that it's being exploited by 2k and what it does do the game the way it's implemented right now. I'll just use my post from another topic to explain what i believe would be the (ethically) right way for 2k to use it.

Spoiler

"In the spirit of common decency there should be limits, i'll give some examples:

Mycareer:
- The (valid imo) reason a lot of people buy vc to upgrade their attributes is because they don't have time to spend hours on a game. So why not implement a limit? Say 80ovr and after that you can only use vc you earned within the game.
- Accessories should be free, unless they have attribute boosts.

Myteam:
- Institute some kind of talent cap. I won't care if people buy 100 packs as long as they can't put 12 golds on the floor. Something like 3 golds, 5 silvers and 4 bronze seems very reasonable. Basing it on ovr would be even better.
- Don't charge salary on players that people get out of packs they bought with earned vc. Have the salary be a penalty for those who bought their team with real money. (wishful thinking i know, it's more likely they'd do it the other way around)

"The park" aka blacktop:
- Some basic clothes should be free. Maybe 5 or 10 colors, plain shirts and shorts, no logos or anything.
- Special clothing can remain the same.
- Remove jewelry since it gives an unfair advantage. Unfair because it can only be bought with real money."

[da ThRONe]

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That it has absolutely nothing to do with the game of basketball.

If SIM is the goal I fail to see how this continues to remain in the game. Essentially I don't have to practice a free throw to become the best FT shooter ever. Stupid.

[Boilerbuzz]

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I don't see how this differs from what is done in other games across the industry. Look at FIFA. I totally agree that there needs to be tuning of how much things cost and how much you earn. But to complain about it's existence is a little silly considering the direction of the industry as a whole.

[javicd21]

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I hate it because it allows people to have 99 overall on day one. Which to me is the same as hacking.

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[The 24th Letter]

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I dislike the fact that they are almost encouraging you to spend real money to buy VC based off how little you earn in game....I also dislike that you can buy VC at all...

Otherwise I agree with Boilerbuzz...they aren't any different from the former "skill points"...if you want realism to the point that you have to spend 3 months worth of time practicing in the gym over the summer to improve attributes...hey, i'm not mad at you...

But I don't mind "leveling up" in that regard...it serves it's purpose...

EDIT: I also dislike that you have to "buy" blacktop players, that's stupid

[Taer]

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The way it is implemented within the game and the way that modes are being changed to influence people into using it. If VC was tied to new content above and beyond the standard 2K set for themselves all those prior years then I'd be ok with it. it isn't. It is instead being used to try to nickle and dime more from me for stuff that frankly should not be charged for and worse, the quality of the modes within the game are of a worse quality and enjoyment.

With MyCareer, I used to be able to have multiple guys that looked different, had different names, different looks and each individual was a story in himself. This is no longer the case and on the PC, it is even limited further because I can not get attribute changing gear or gems ... if you do not want to use hex cheating then my guy is limited. All so that console guys are given artificial incentives to purchase VC.

I support game companies by buying their products - even dlc content. If companies provide content that is worth the investment I will spend more then I should to support them. When companies proceed to try to backdoor microtransactions into their game I get turned off real fast.

[Gosens6]

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All great points guys. Reason I was so curious was because of the recent uproar of displeasure about VC being included in MyGM mode. I guess i'm trying to remain optimistic. We don't know if they retooled the VC system for next gen, how much we actually earn now compared to how much things cost. It will be interesting to see how all that works now, if it's any different at all.

If they actually give us reasonable amounts of VC, or make things affordable in the current system I don't think it would be too bad.

[Taer]

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I think the worry about the MyGM is that you will be forced to use VC as the ingame currency in order to accomplish anything.

I don't think this will be the case - the one screenshot shows an actual dollar budget but the fact that you'll need it to customize your GM is borderline worrying considering what they did to MyPlayer. If it is as messed up as MyPlayer is, the VC implementation will be a severe limitation to the maximum enjoyment possible in that mode.

The mode itself looks like it could be a really big hit - but as with most things, the details are what will make or break it.

[Gosens6]

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I think the worry about the MyGM is that you will be forced to use VC as the ingame currency in order to accomplish anything.

I don't think this will be the case - the one screenshot shows an actual dollar budget but the fact that you'll need it to customize your GM is borderline worrying considering what they did to MyPlayer. If it is as messed up as MyPlayer is, the VC implementation will be a severe limitation to the maximum enjoyment possible in that mode.

The mode itself looks like it could be a really big hit - but as with most things, the details are what will make or break it.

Well you still use money to handle contracts with players and other business decisions and ventures.

VC is only used in leveling up your GM to get better skills.

[Taer]

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Well you still use money to handle contracts with players and other business decisions and ventures.

VC is only used in leveling up your GM to get better skills.

That is what I suspect as well but we don't know for sure. The fear of the unknown especially when it is egged on by past experiences is a poweful thing.