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Old 02-09-2012, 02:24 AM   #433
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CONTINUED FROM ABOVE POST! THANKS AGAIN FOR READING!

85 - 4 HoFers (Ewing, Mullin, Malone, Dumars)
Studs in Top 5: 1 (Ewing)
Studs: 5 (Ewing, Mullin, Malone, Dumars, T. Porter)
All-Star Talents: 3 (X-Man, Oakley, Michael Adams)
FUN Player: Anthony "Spud" Webb, Manute Bol
"Memorable": 12 (I am using "memorable as I would have been 7 in 85. These will be guys I at least remember well
to have been either solid starters or guys who at least played solid roles for squads, until the years where we all
know!)

86 - 2 HoFers (Rodman, Sabonis)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Daugherty, Bias)
STUDS: 4 (Daugherty, Bias, Rodman, Sabonis)

NOTE: This was the Len Bias year, which had a ton of players affected by drugs, but either way can show a
"busted" class. Second rounders were the strength of this draft, with the only All-Stars to come
out of this draft in the 1st being Brad Daugherty (1st overall) and Sabonis at 24 (last pick back then.)
Bias WOULD have been at least a multiple All-Star back then, especially joining that Celtics team at their peak.

All-Star Talents: 3 Mark Price, Kevin Duckworth, and Jeff Hornacek (2nd round)
"Memorable": 10

87 - 2 HoFers, with 2 other technically possible (D. Robinson, Pippen) + (Reggie Miller, KJ)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Admiral, Pip)
STUDS: 4 (Admiral, Pippen, Miller, KJ)
All-Star Talents: 3 (Ho. Grant, Mark Jackson, Reggie Lewis)
FUN Player: Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues
Memorable: 10

88 - 0 HoFers
STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (Manning, Smits, Richmond)
STUDS: 3 (Manning, Smits, Richmond)
All-Star Talents: 4 (Hawkins, Strickland, Majerle, A. Mason)
Memorable: 12

89 - 0 HoFers
STUDS IN TOP 5: 1 (Rice)
STUDS: 3 (Rice, T. Hardaway, S. Kemp)
All-Star Talents: 6 (S. Elliott, M. Blaylock, D. Barros, B.J. Armstrong, V. Divac, C. Robinson)
Memorable: 6 (fairly weak)

90 - 0 HoFers, 1 PROBABLE (Payton)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (D. Coleman, G. Payton)
STUDS: 2 (Coleman, Payton)
All-Star Talents: 4 (T. Hill, J. Williams, A. Davis, C. Ceballos)
Memorable: 14

91 - 0 HoFers
STUDS IN TOP 5: 4 (L. Johnson, K. Andderson, D. Mutombo, S. Smith)
STUDS: 4 (SAME)
All-Star Talents: 3 (T. Brandon, D. Davis, C. Gatling)
Memorable: 7

92 - 1 HoFERS, 1 Probable (Shaq, Mourning)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Shaq, Mourning)
STUDS: 3 (Shaq, Mourning, Spreewell)
All-Star Talents: 2 (Laettner, Gugliotta)
Memorable: 15

93 - 0 HoFers
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Webber, Penny)
STUDS: 4 (Webber, Penny, V. Baker, S. Cassell)
All-Star Talents: 3 (J. Mashburn, A. Houston, N. Van Exel)
FUN Player: Shawn Bradley
Memorable: 15

94 - 0 HoFERS - 1 PROBABLE (J. Kidd)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 4 (G. Robinson, Kidd, G. Hill, J. Howard)
STUDS: 5 (Above PLUS E. Jones)
All-Star Talents: 0
Memorable: 13

95 - 0 HoFERS - 1 PROBABLE (K. Garnett)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 4 (McDyess, Stackhouse, R. Wallace, Garnett)
STUDS: 4 (McDyess, Stackhouse, R. Wallace, Garnett)
All-Star Talents: 2 (Ratliff, M. Finley)
Memorable: 18

96 - 4 PROBABLE HoFERS: (Iverson, Allen, Bryant, Nash)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 4 (Iverson, Abdur-Rahim, Marbury, Allen)
STUDS: 10 (Iverson, Abdur-Rahim, Marbury, Allen, A. Walker, Kobe, Peja, Nash, J. O'Neal, B.Wallace)
All-Star Talents: 1+1 (Ilgauskas) Including Camby because of skill-set.
Memorable: 12

97 - 1 PROBABLE HOFERS: (Duncan)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Duncan, Billups)
STUDS: 3 (Duncan, Billups, McGrady)
All-Star Talents: 0
Memorable: 23

98 - 2 PROBABLE HOFERS: (Nowitzki, Pierce)
STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Jamison, V. Carter)
STUDS: 4 (Jamison, Carter, Nowitzki, Pierce)
All-Star Talents: 2 (R. Lewis, B. Miller)
Memorable: 22

99 - STOPPING HOFERS AT THIS POINT
STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (Brand, Francis, B. Davis)
STUDS: 6 (Brand, Francis, Davis, Marion, Artest, Ginobili)
All-Star Talents: 4 (Odom, Szczerbiak, R. Hamilton, A. Kirilenko)
SOLID STARTERS: (Ending "Memorable) - 8

2000 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 0
STUDS: 1 (M. Redd)
All-Star Talents: 2 (K. Martin, J. Magloire)
SOLID STARTERS: 3 (Worst Draft in NBA History)

2001 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 1
STUDS: 6 (P. Gasol, J. Johnson, Z. Randolph, G. Wallace, T. Parker, G. Arenas)
All-Star Talents: 1 (M. Okur)
SOLID STARTERS: 8

2002 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 1 (M. Yao)
STUDS: 4 (M. Yao, Amare, C. Butler, C. Boozer)
All-Star Talent: 0
SOLID STARTERS: 7

2003 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 4 (L. James, C. Anthony, D. Wade, C. Bosh)
STUDS: 4 (Above)
All-Star Talents: 4 (C. Kaman, D. West, J. Howard, M. Williams)
SOLID STARTERS: 9

2004 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (D. Howard, D. Harris)
STUDS: 5 (D. Howard, D. Harris, A. Iguodala, J. Smith, A. Jefferson)
All-Star Talents: 1 (J. Nelson)
SOLID STARTERS: 10

2005 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (Bogut, D. Williams, C. Paul)
STUDS: 7 (Bogut, Williams, Paul, A. Bynum, D. Granger, D. Lee, M. Ellis)
All-Star Talents: 0
SOLID STARTERS: 9

2006 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (Bargnani, L. Aldridge)
STUDS: 6 (Bargnani, Aldridge, B. Roy, R. Gay, R. Rondo, K. Lowry)
SOLID STARTERS: 5

2007 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (Oden, Durant, Horford)
STUDS: 3 (Oden, Durant, Horford)
All-Star Talents: 2 (Noah, Gasol)
SOLID STARTERS: 12

2008 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (D. Rose, R. Westbrook, K. Love)
STUDS: 4 (D. Rose, R. Westbrook, K. Love, E. Gordon)
All-Star Talents?: 9 (Beasley, Mayo, Gallinari, Augustin, Lopez, Hibbert, Mcgee, R. Anderson, Ibaka)
SOLID STARTERS: 7 ish...

2009 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 3 (B. Griffin, T. Evans, R. Rubio)
STUDS: 6 (B. Griffin, T. Evans, R. Rubio, S. Curry, B. Jennings, T. Lawson)
All-Star Talents?: 7 (J. Harden, D. DeRozan, G. Henderson, T. Hansbrough, J. Holiday, J. Teague, D. Collison)

2010 - STUDS IN TOP 5: 2 (J. Wall, D. Cousins)

I think it is really too early in their careers to use these for research past this point...too much could
still happen in these careers. For the most part, on average over these 25 years, there is around 1 player per year on AVERAGE who would be HoF-worthy. Obviously,
I was speculating on some of these, but I think it's a fair average. Counting players who were either studs or who I feel have stud potential, we're looking at
an average of around 3.5 stud talents per year, more like 4.25 if we consider the HoFers in that equation. Obviously, some of these studs are far better than the
others, but we'll still have solid "franchise" type players at an average clip of like 3.4 a year discounting the HoFERS.

I have right around another 70 players listed as "All-Star talents"... pretty much I labeled everyone a stud that had multiple All-Star or All-NBA's to their credit,
or has unquestioned potential to get there. All-Star Talents were listed as anyone who'd played in either one AS Game, or made one All-NBA team.. you'll notice the
numbers dropping as we get closer to the present, so some of the players added have not been in an All-Star game yet, but I feel that is their talent level.)

I listed 267 players as solid-starters or memorables, and I didn't add any in 09 or 10 and those numbers were tending to decrease again because of getting closer
to the present. I would say a good average of 10 on the low side to 15-16 on the high side of quality starter type guys would be a good average for classes.

So, for my 10 classes I am going to be starting work on, I'm going to try to have an average of 1 HOF level player per year (but over different years, obviously), and 3 stud
types on average. 3-4 All-Stars, and 10-15 possible NBA starters. So, not going really any deeper than 20 players who SHOULD start in any class.

I'll be working to provide different levels of classes, but this is going to be my brainstorming for it, keeping these ideas in mind as I observe and re-rate.
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:34 AM   #434
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Great job man and i hope these draft classes will be really good :P.I hope Slimm will update the roster pretty soon with the gameplay related to this seasons stats.It is going to be great :P
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bro your work is fantastic, if possible please update a team' gear colors (view here: http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=84114 ),and all missing players Mike James, Dennis Horner, Ryan Reid, Cory Higgins, Julyan Stone and added more missing CFs..
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@ pokerplaya - great research job and everything. This will be helpful for slimm(if he is going to do the work on draft classes). I want to mention that you forgot 1 Hall of Famer..Dražen Petrović.. He was drafted by the Blazers in '86 as 60th overall and he was posthumously enshrined in the HOF in 2002 and he has .473(i believe) behind the arc for his career in the NBA.

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bro your work is fantastic, if possible please update a team' gear colors (view here: http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=84114 ),and all missing players Mike James, Dennis Horner, Ryan Reid, Cory Higgins, Julyan Stone and added more missing CFs..
I am working on a roster file that includes missing players. I am only going to add players if there is an existing cyberface I can find and probably won't add old vets (ie Bonzi Wells and Jamaal Tinsley) unless they are on a roster with a guaranteed contract. Steisma, Gustavo, Terrell Harris, Jeremy Pargo, and Ivan Johnson are the newest additions. I want to make sure the roster is stable before releasing it.

Also, pokerplaya is going to implement his research (and some that I've done) to create 10 fictional draft classes. They will follow the same ratings and tendency scales as the rest of the roster to ensure integrity going deep into associations.
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Great to hear that Slimm.Need any help with testing roster or something?I won´t open up nba gam client before your next roster release lol :P
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Ill pm you a link to the roster for testing. Mainly look in season/association mode boxscores to make sure names are correct and also for crashing.
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Im at my fathers place atm ,but you can still pm me that roster.I can test it out later when i get home
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