Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

[michaeljordanjr]

I've done an experiment, at least a dozen or more games online.

It seems no matter how wide open you are you can brick your shot even with a perfect release.

Yet the most difficult shots even at 3 pointers go in more. Fade aways, runners whatever.

There seems to be no release point that's good. You can make shots even with he longest or shortest release.

I've tested this more with Ray Allen than anyone. He literally misses most all wide open shots. It's unbelievable.

Does Live 10 have any contested or wide open game logic?

[ramzes93]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Yeah this is really confusing to me, just like you said it seems like it is harder to make wide open shots then ones with a hand or two in your face. All so sometimes on fastbreaks i accidently launch for the three a few feet behind the line, and the shot almost always never hits rim, and almost looks like it rips the net.

It kind of feels like the game decides when you should make shots on a script, with nothing to do with how open you are or your position to the basket.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Ya, that's game logic. Maybe DNA messes with this? But still I checked that possibility by going to Ray Allen's fav spot and his most success. He misses there more than he does when someone jumps in his face.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

not seeing this at all. Im playing with the clipps in my dynasty and I won't shoot a contested shot because getting an open one is almost money. Maybe it's a dna thing with ray. Im gonna try some tonite with him.

[NDIrish98]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

i've don't think i've ever seen anyone hit every single wide open shot they've ever taken? i haven't seen this problem, i've been happy w/ the %'s in pretty much every game i've played.

[econoodle]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Ya, that's game logic. Maybe DNA messes with this? But still I checked that possibility by going to Ray Allen's fav spot and his most success. He misses there more than he does when someone jumps in his face.

yep. well for people who dont want it to update, cant you log off ur gamer connection?
or is there a way to default DNA or something.

[DaoudS]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

It is all percentages. The game will play exactly the same whether there is defense or not. It has strict percentage boundaries that it abides by no matter what.

If Live continues with this sort of DNA, I hope they add percentages for contested shots and what not.

[oOausarOo]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

It is all percentages. The game will play exactly the same whether there is defense or not. It has strict percentage boundaries that it abides by no matter what.

If Live continues with this sort of DNA, I hope they add percentages for contested shots and what not.

I'm not sure I buy that. How did you reach that conclusion?

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

It is all percentages. The game will play exactly the same whether there is defense or not. It has strict percentage boundaries that it abides by no matter what.

If Live continues with this sort of DNA, I hope they add percentages for contested shots and what not.

they have percentages for that allready...

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I'm definitely not making this up.

Even online I see my opponent missing wide open shots. It's gotten to a point where I see him shoot wide open and I don't care because I know most of the time he'll miss.

For some reason it's either the releases that are random and don't have a good release point due to the addition of multiple shots or its DNA that's messing it up.

NBA players mostly ALWAYS make wide open shots. And if its Ray Allen, he NEVER misses wide open.

This is an issue if we get enough people testing it out you'll see.

[DaoudS]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I'm not sure I buy that. How did you reach that conclusion?

until i tweaked with the sliders, % would always be the primary target. There were atleast 20 games, before sliders, that i noticed I would miss 5 WIDE open shots after ball movement and play calling but I would end up hitting 2 afterwards in which the defender had me draped. The % just wanted to work themselves out.

It feels very scripted. If you start the game off slow, you can be guaranteed that at some point later in the game you will string together a bunch of shots - or vice versa.

[loadleft]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I don't buy the % theory, if that was the case guys wouldn't be able to exploit the fade away 3pt shot online because the player would always shoot to his real life %. Also I've played enough human vs. human games on the same console that I know my nephew has shoot 80% from 3pt with Rondo against me (before I knew how to contest).

I do know that the release point varies depending on several variables like: Was he standing still, was he facing the basket, did he step into the shot, etc. Live is very "timing/position dependent" which is why you had guys thinking they were contesting shots but still having the shooter hit, or why sometimes you jump for a rebound and the ball goes right through your hands to the guy standing behind you, LOL, all because you didn't press the button at the exact right time or you weren't in the exact right position.

[NC State-31 UNC-27]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I don't know about missing wide open shots, but I do know that it's darn near impossible to make a 7 foot jump shot with anyone

[Chairman7w]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Heh - that's realistic. Shoot, give me a layup or a 15-footer, but that SHORT jumpshot just aint happenin.

I can hit a 10-foot floater, or maybe fade it away, but a standing 10-footer? No way.

I don't know about missing wide open shots, but I do know that it's darn near impossible to make a 7 foot jump shot with anyone

[Aleman]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Totally agree with this.

Playing ranked games online, I notice that a lot of people have terrible release, most commonly releasing when their guy is on the way down.

I did an experiment last night as the Bucks playing away against some dude that picked the Celtics. I used Michael Redd and only took wide open shots with releases that looked natural. Result: 30% FG average. The other guy shot ~70% with Ray Allen even though nearly all shots were contested and all releases were pretty much way too late.

It also seem like PG's have way too high shooting percentages and tend to make lots of goofy fade-away shots at abnormally high frequencies.

It might have something to do with the Playoff atmosphere and home team advantage....

I don't know about missing wide open shots, but I do know that it's darn near impossible to make a 7 foot jump shot with anyone

Agreed, especially with big men.