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  • RaychelSnr
    Executive Editor
    • Jan 2007
    • 4845

    #1

    Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11



    If you didn't read my thoughts on NBA Elite 11's demo, be sure to check those out now. No need to re-hash what I said there.

    What I'd like to do instead is to play some blame game as to who is to blame for what might be one of the biggest disaster releases from a major gaming company in quite some time.

    Because somehow, somewhere, someone is to blame for what accounts to the worst basketball title on the market in this generation of consoles. Sony's NBA game outclasses Elite 11, and I'm sure I can name several games over the past decade on far inferior hardware that outclass Elite's gameplay, some completely and laughably dominate Elite.

    I wrote about Elite earlier this year, I thought the name change signaled that EA had hit the panic button. Now that we've played Elite and saw the entire Live series was blown up, I think it's safe to say EA definitely panicked.

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  • gameova24
    Rookie
    • Aug 2010
    • 5

    #2
    this guy is crazy.....its not the worst.....and its not bad

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    • cbass1
      Rookie
      • Dec 2008
      • 16

      #3
      Its start's with the president of the label on down to the Executive Producer of the project. In my opinion you can not blame Littman because he is a hockey guy that was just porting over what made NHL a success or the other producers/developers because they where just doing what they were told. I hope that people in the video game industry do not look at these developers in a bad light because there are some really talent people at that studio. Right now they are the Knicks run by Isiah :-(

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      • RaychelSnr
        Executive Editor
        • Jan 2007
        • 4845

        #4
        Originally posted by cbass1
        Its start's with the president of the label on down to the Executive Producer of the project. In my opinion you can not blame Littman because he is a hockey guy that was just porting over what made NHL a success or the other producers/developers because they where just doing what they were told. I hope that people in the video game industry do not look at these developers in a bad light because there are some really talent people at that studio. Right now they are the Knicks run by Isiah :-(
        That's another good analogy. If Elite gets a few more years, I think they're thinking outside of the box enough to deliver something really awesome. But Elite 11 set EA basketball back 4 years....not a good place to start when you were already playing from behind.
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        • Self313
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          • Sep 2010
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          #5
          Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

          I agree for the most part

          the developers are not to blame.... its whoever calls the shots... the ones that ran Mike Wang out of there... the Hockey dudes that dont know basketball
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          • bdiggs25
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            • Jan 2008
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            #6
            I like the new elite more than the 2k cause 2k's getting boring and elites something new. The controls are easy to get used 2

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            • DirtyJerz32
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              • Aug 2007
              • 7617

              #7
              Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ot-hockey.html

              We've been going back and forth on this topic. Totally agree with you chris. Good write up.
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              • Playmakers
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2004
                • 15344

                #8
                Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

                Originally posted by gameova24
                this guy is crazy.....its not the worst.....and its not bad
                You'd be shock at how many people might agree with him in terms of what the expectations for Elite 11 should've been

                Most of us sure as hell didn't expect this type of drop off from NBA Live 10

                So based on that approach i'd say he's 50/50 correct this title is a major let down this year.

                It may not be the worse but you fully expected it to be one of the best and didn't even come close IMO to being one of the best.

                It's only Elite in name only
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                • JWiLL02
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 1080

                  #9
                  Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

                  The blame goes to whoever silenced Mike Wang's creative voice. Say what you want about giving one guy too much credit, but what he values in a basketball game (whether it's from his Inside Drive days, or 2k7-2k8) shined through in many areas of Live 10, and more often than not were done better than ever before (player movement, shooting).

                  There had to be some meeting, conversation, altercation or some kind where he was alienated and felt the need to get out.

                  Why would you bring a guy in as Lead Designer on your basketball game, then after your best reception in years from a critical standpoint, completely abandon his vision? Did they expect to just outsell 2K immediately after destroying consumer trust in previous years?

                  The Live 10 team just seemed like a bunch of guys who loved basketball making the best game they could. That's the feeling I had when I would watch the frequently released development videos they put out last year, another area they all but abandoned with this cycle (I know there's a couple minute long things out there, they don't count).

                  Revamping the control scheme of your great controlling basketball game simply because it worked for your hockey franchise is downright arrogant. I guess this should come as no surprise from EA.

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                  • Playmakers
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 15344

                    #10
                    Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

                    Originally posted by bdiggs25
                    I like the new elite more than the 2k cause 2k's getting boring and elites something new. The controls are easy to get used 2
                    is controlls all that matter in a basketball game?

                    tell me something beyond controlls that made you think it was playing basketball?

                    Do you enjoy the the things you see out of the AI?

                    Are you happy with the way the game moves once you leave the practice gym?

                    Do you even care that the AI still attempts the weirdest looking shots even within 5 feet from the basket?

                    Is this game just all about what you can do with the control of your players or does anything else even matter to you guys
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                    • ChaseB
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 9843

                      #11
                      Chris you must have missed out on the second Live game on 360 and also the first Sony title on PS3 -- now those were BAD games.

                      That being said, I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other on this title as of now -- at least not ones that are that different from how I felt at E3.
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                      • Logic Doctor
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 45

                        #12
                        Don't mean to say I told you so but......

                        Here's what I said 3 months ago when Pasta posted the article about the Live name change to Elite.

                        "Something EA definitely had to do. Live's reputation became too much to overcome regardless of what was released.

                        NBA 2k owns the simulation crown which is both a gift and a curse. Why you ask? Because the closer you get to a simulation the further you move from a fun game. Ultimately, a large majority of gamers want to be able to pick up a controller and dominate without having to focus intensely or spend hundreds of hours refining their stick skills......and that is a completely reasonable expectation.

                        There is in fact a market for a more arcade like, storyline-driven NBA gaming experience. Hence my next point.EA should have put NBA JAM at the fore front of their basketball gaming strategy this year releasing the classic across all platforms. Once released on PS3 and XBOX 360, I guarantee NBA JAM outsells Live/Elite 11', by a LARGE margin. If EA corporate had any sense they would have clearly seen the benefit in that this move would have allowed them an extra year for the development of what is ultimately going to be a new NBA title and a realistic opportunity to really go back to the drawing board and do something cool and different with NBA Live/Elite.

                        Instead, I fear NBA Elite is destined to simply be a retread of NBA Live sprinkled with a bit of NBA Street, held together with scotch tape and toothpicks. I mean, what else could be reasonably expected from EA in 1 year? From any development team really, especially when your competition is the unstoppable juggernaut that is 2k and an in house rebirth of basketball gamings God Father, NBA Jam.

                        I hope i'm wrong and EA manages to pull an awesome alternative to NBA 2k out of their *** because like I said earlier, 2k is moving in a very tricky direction with regard to the definition of simulation and if their not careful may begin alienating segments of their fan base as well as newcomers to the series. Only time will tell I guess."

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                        • hokupguy
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5615

                          #13
                          Re: Chris' Blog: Playing the blame game with NBA Elite 11

                          still cant belive they released the demo like this. Plus whats up with the lighting? the players have not light to them . And the unis letters and numbers look like crossing gurad reflectors.
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                          • chronos_14
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                            • Sep 2010
                            • 3

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gameova24
                            this guy is crazy.....its not the worst.....and its not bad
                            you crazy, open your eyes boy and even do a side by side comparison if you need, you just gonna see whats better

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                            • theprocess
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 64

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gameova24
                              this guy is crazy.....its not the worst.....and its not bad
                              You must be playing the LIVE 10 demo...

                              I played it again this morning with a clear head and some rest, sadly though it's worst than it was yesterday.
                              Who knows what went on in those offices but clearly somebody had an epiphany, it was just horrible intuition. I don't blame the DEVS...I'm sure they warned the suits that it wasn't enough time to start from scratch. Some one out there running the company clearly does not care about the consumer.

                              Sure people will buy this game they are just not playing basket,..they're playing vieo games.

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